Re: [EM] [CES #8973] Score Voting and Approval Voting not practically substantially different from Plurality?

2013-06-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:01 PM 6/25/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: I suspect it may be a matter of social norms. I grew up listening to theoretical physicists argue (my mother is one). They love a good fight, and the kind of language Stephen used here is actually consistent with a deep underlying respect in that

Re: [EM] MAV on electowiki

2013-06-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:31 AM 6/26/2013, Chris Benham wrote: Jameson, I don't like this version at all. These methods all have the problem that the voters have a strong incentive to just submit approval ballots, i.e. only use the top and bottom grades. Strong incentive requires strong preference. The method

Re: [EM] irv and the politics of electoral reform.

2013-06-27 Thread Juho Laatu
On 26.6.2013, at 22.48, David L Wetzell wrote: This is in response to an earlier post by Juho where he speculates that IRV is the preferred reform by politicians in the two major parties who want to accommodate change that does the least harm to the status quo. I think it's useful to

Re: [EM] MAV on electowiki

2013-06-27 Thread Jameson Quinn
2013/6/26 Chris Benham cbenha...@yahoo.com.au Jameson, I don't like this version at all. These methods all have the problem that the voters have a strong incentive to just submit approval ballots, i.e. only use the top and bottom grades. You are right... if they believe that all other voters

[EM] Preferential voting system where a candidate may win multiple seats

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Benham
 Vidar, I'm a bit confused about the details of the method you say is used in Norway. You write that voters may rank parties in a preferred order instead of only being able to vote for a single party. but further down you refer to the one person, one vote system. Since you are not attempting

[EM] MAV on electowiki

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Benham
Jameson, I don't see it... Say on an ABCD grading ballot you give your Lesser Evil X a B, and then in the second round both X and  your Greater Evil Y reach the majority threshold. In that case you obviously might have cause to regret that you didn't give X an A. That is why your suggestion

Re: [EM] Preferential voting system where a candidate may win multiple seats

2013-06-27 Thread Vidar Wahlberg
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 08:31:23AM -0700, Chris Benham wrote: I'm a bit confused about the details of the method you say is used in Norway. You write that voters may rank parties in a preferred order instead of only being able to vote for a single party. but further down you refer to the

[EM] Two notes and a possibly interesting method from a friend

2013-06-27 Thread Benjamin Grant
Hi, first a quick note: I haven't been commenting because real life stuff, work, etc has been keeping me busy, but I fully intend to go back and answer any posts sent to me via the list(s). If just that my time and focus comes in bursts and droughts. ;) Second note, I continue to thank all

[EM] Preferential voting system where a candidate may win multiple seats

2013-06-27 Thread Chris Benham
Vidar wrote: If I'm not to use a quota, but rather something like Sainte-Laguë as it's done today, how would I know when to start excluding the smaller parties?   When one (or more) of them doesn't have a seat according to the initial (trial) apportionment.   *Use the best formula for

Re: [EM] [CES #8982] Two notes and a possibly interesting method from a friend

2013-06-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:58 AM 6/27/2013, Benjamin Grant wrote: Hi, first a quick note: I haven’t been commenting because real life stuff, work, etc has been keeping me busy, but I fully intend to go back and answer any posts sent to me via the list(s). If just that my time and focus comes in bursts and

Re: [EM] voter comprehension level of score, approval, and IRV (exit polls)

2013-06-27 Thread Warren D Smith
sorry, I made some stupid arithmetic errors. Here I try again: http://rangevoting.org/Comprehension.html Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] a re: Warren Smith's surveys.

2013-06-27 Thread David L Wetzell
One word: recursion. Recursion amps up the learning curve for most folks, particularly the math-challenged. Both my short-cut and the way FairVote is melding IRV with Top Two primary so there's only 4 candidates in the last round solve this problem by ending the use of recursion. It shd

Re: [EM] MAV on electowiki

2013-06-27 Thread Jameson Quinn
2013/6/27 Chris Benham cbenha...@yahoo.com.au Jameson, I don't see it... Say on an ABCD grading ballot you give your Lesser Evil X a B, and then in the second round both X and your Greater Evil Y reach the majority threshold. In that case you obviously might have cause to regret that you