Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 08/31/2013 02:24 PM, Vidar Wahlberg wrote: This may be a bit outside what is usually discussed here, but I'll give it a shot and if someone know of some resources I should check up on then please let me know. I've not followed this list for a long time, but my impression is that the main

Re: [EM] Biproportional representation (was Re: Preferential voting system where a candidate may win multiple seats)

2013-09-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 07/29/2013 07:22 PM, Vidar Wahlberg wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 01:36:49PM +0200, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: On 07/28/2013 04:37 PM, Vidar Wahlberg wrote: Upper apportionment: - Party seats are apportioned using unmodified Sainte-Laguë based on national votes. If desirable the

[EM] Possibly making Sainte-Lague even more STV-like

2013-09-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Here's a short post (since I don't have as much time as I would like) with an idea of how to make Sainte-Lague even more like STV. I started thinking about it as part of my thinking that perhaps pairwise multiwinner methods will always be too complex; and so I tried to include some Condorcet

Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Vidar Wahlberg
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:41:50AM +0200, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: If it is within the scope of this list, what are your thoughts on the subject? Alternatively: Assuming the perfect election system where voting any different than your real preference would only hurt your preference, how would

Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Fred Gohlke
Good Afternoon, Vidar Wahlberg I'm happy to see that Kristofer Munsterhjelm responded to your post. You probably are already familiar with him, but I've always found him the most thoughtful contributor on this site. He rarely agrees with me, but he describes his point of view with so much

Re: [EM] Biproportional representation (was Re: Preferential voting system where a candidate may win multiple seats)

2013-09-02 Thread Vidar Wahlberg
On Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 09:55:57AM +0200, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by exactly how it's done in counties today, though. If you mean that the apportionment of seats to counties (i.e. how many seats each district gets in the district target) is done by unmodified

Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 09/02/2013 09:23 PM, Vidar Wahlberg wrote: I once considered a hybrid system that *would* use elections, but in a quite different way: first you'd select a significant number of people at random, and then these would elect from among their number. It does away with continuity both for ill

Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Michael Allan
Fred Gohlke said: The other is Dr. Mansbridge's working paper entitled, A 'Selection Model' of Political Representation, which is available at: http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP08-010 This link worked for me:

Re: [EM] Sociological issues of elections

2013-09-02 Thread Michael Allan
Welcome Vidar, You're not off track [Juho], the basis of my question was that given a democratic election, how should the government/election be formed to reduce the incentive for candidates/parties to talk down other candidates/parties, and encourage people to vote for candidates/ parties