Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho Laatu wrote: A = 1000 B = 200 max_support = 100 C = 50 approval = 30 D = 1 min_support = 0 E = 0 F = -100 max_preference_strength = 10 Approval interpretation is A=B=CD=E=F. Range interpretation is A=B=100, C=50, D=1, E=F=0. Rankings interpretation is ABCDEF. Rankings interpretation with

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-28 Thread Juho Laatu
--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: A = 1000 B = 200 max_support = 100 C = 50 approval = 30 D = 1 min_support = 0 E = 0 F = -100 max_preference_strength = 10 Approval interpretation is A=B=CD=E=F. Range

[EM] Strategies for RRV/RSV and BR for multi-member constituencies

2009-01-28 Thread Raph Frank
http://www.rangevoting.org/RRV.html I wonder what would be reasonable strategies for RRV. Initially, I was thinking something like Set the approval threshold where you would set it in normal approval but only include candidates from your favourite party of those that have a reasonable chance of

[EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Lately, I've been busy trying to generalize STV, the method, to be applicable to any weighted positional method. At first, this seems quite easy to do. STV (discarding Meek) works like this: --- STV for a (k,n) election (election to a council of size k, out of n candidates) 0. If k = n,

Re: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread Kathy Dopp
From: Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no Subject: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods Lately, I've been busy trying to generalize STV, the method, to be applicable to any weighted positional method. At first, this seems quite easy to do. STV (discarding Meek) works like this:

Re: [EM] Strategies for RRV/RSV and BR for multi-member constituencies

2009-01-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Raph Frank wrote: http://www.rangevoting.org/RRV.html I wonder what would be reasonable strategies for RRV. For RRV, and probably for any sort of multiwinner method that works according to the elect and punish cycle (I think that's Warren's term, but it's fairly descriptive), the method is

Re: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Kathy Dopp wrote: From: Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no Subject: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods Lately, I've been busy trying to generalize STV, the method, to be applicable to any weighted positional method. At first, this seems quite easy to do. STV (discarding Meek)

Re: [EM] Strategies for RRV/RSV and BR for multi-member constituencies

2009-01-28 Thread Raph Frank
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: The construct the assembly and then let it vote approach might be reducible to ordinary Bayesian Regret. The idea would be this: single-winner BR assigns utilities to all candidates and voters. Call the

[EM] EM Metrics

2009-01-28 Thread Paul Kislanko
Seeing RRV used in a post reminded me of some earlier discussions. Analysis of team computer rankings in sports that do NOT have round-robin schedules use Retrodictive Ranking Violations to characterize computer ratings with AB after B has won a match against A. (This is not an error, since the

Re: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread James Gilmour
Kathy Dopp Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:08 PM I see that what you are suggesting as a change to STV such as using the Borda method does seem to be a *lot* better than current implementations of STV, Now THAT really would be an improvement. Borda can fail to elect the majority

Re: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread Kathy Dopp
James, Thanks but I don't need to read any references, the arithmetic is obvious. In Borda there can be more than one candidate with majority approval and the candidate with the *most* majority approval may not be the plurality majority winner like it would be in a first round majority winner in

Re: [EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent

2009-01-28 Thread Michael Allan
Juho Laatu wrote: But I think people [a] also try to keep the internals of their head in good order. They don't voluntarily become irrational inside. Many [b] believe that they are almost always right and consistent, and want to maintain this belief. Agreed, but it can't be understood from

Re: [EM] STV and weighted positional methods

2009-01-28 Thread Michael Allan
Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: My primary reason for the post (and the change/generalization of STV) is to find out what makes a good multiwinner method a good multiwinner method, and thus how to create good multiwinner methods... This may have no practical utility, and maybe it's been