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2009-11-01 Thread Anthony O'Neal
I don't necessarily think that STV is better than an open party list system. But I'm a political realist, and I think that STV is the system that would be easiest to implement in America. With our loose coalition Democrat and Republican parties, and our large base of independents, people are

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2009-11-01 Thread James Gilmour
Anthony O'Neal Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:12 AM I don't necessarily think that STV is better than an open party list system. I think STV-PR is better than open-list party-list PR in three ways. Firstly, STV-PR can be used in all public elections, including those that are

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-01 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Oct 31, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Kathy Dopp wrote: 3. STV does *not* achieve proportional representation at all unless there is no vote splitting and just the right number of candidates run who support each group's interests. I.e. the success of methods like STV to achieve proportional

Re: [EM] STV - the transferrable part is OK (fair), the sequential round elimination is not

2009-11-01 Thread Raph Frank
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Kathy Dopp kathy.d...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that you misunderstood what I was saying below. It is the relative *number* of candidates who run for office relative to the number of the voters they represent compared to the same ratio for all other candidates

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2009-11-01 Thread Raph Frank
I made an attempt to create a basic explanation on an earlier post to this list: http://www.mail-archive.com/election-methods@lists.electorama.com/msg04195.html Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

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2009-11-01 Thread Juho
On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:59 PM, James Gilmour wrote: Anthony O'Neal Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:12 AM I don't necessarily think that STV is better than an open party list system. I think STV-PR is better than open-list party-list PR in three ways. Firstly, STV-PR can be used in all