Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Toby Pereira
Just to clarify this, for the nth permeantile, I think you'd weight each point on the n side (100-n)^2 and on the (100-n) side it would be n^2 . From: Toby Pereira tdp2...@yahoo.co.uk To: electorama list election-methods@lists.electorama.com Sent: Sat, 9

Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Toby Pereira
I had a look at your system - http://www.mail-archive.com/election-methods@lists.electorama.com/msg07066.html - I think I might have to look at it again to get it! But one thing about percentiles. As I understand it, people often disagree about how to calculate percentiles. The one I agree

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Juho Laatu wrote: After some recent discussions and thoughts around two-party systems I thought it would be interesting to discuss two-party systems also in a more positive spirit. The assumption is thus that we want the system to be two-party oriented. We want to have two strong parties, and

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread James Gilmour
Juho Laatu Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:35 AM After some recent discussions and thoughts around two-party systems I thought it would be interesting to discuss two-party systems also in a more positive spirit. The assumption is thus that we want the system to be two-party oriented.

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread Juho Laatu
On 9.7.2011, at 14.23, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Juho Laatu wrote: After some recent discussions and thoughts around two-party systems I thought it would be interesting to discuss two-party systems also in a more positive spirit. The assumption is thus that we want the system to be

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread Juho Laatu
On 9.7.2011, at 16.14, James Gilmour wrote: Juho Laatu Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:35 AM After some recent discussions and thoughts around two-party systems I thought it would be interesting to discuss two-party systems also in a more positive spirit. The assumption is thus that we

Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
2011/7/8 Warren Smith warren@gmail.com Sorry, as Jameson pointed out, he has invented a voting method he calls AT-TV which (he claims) 1. obeys a proportional representation theorem Yes. It's instructive to see what PR criterion AT-TV satisfies, and what RRV satisfies. The standard

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread James Gilmour
Juho I regret to have to say that I find your approach confused and confusing, and basically anti-democratic - which is a surprise and a disappointment. There is nothing at all wrong with a two party system if that is what the voters really want. But it is something else altogether to devise

[EM] minority shareholders -public consultation from the European Commission

2011-07-09 Thread Peter Zbornik
Dear all, The European Commission issued a public consultation on Corporate governance: http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2011/corporate-governance-framework_en.htm A public consultation means that the commission will consider the answers to the questions by the public. The

Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Warren Smith
[Minor bug in Jameson;s claims: I think he meant =N not N.] [Major ambiguity in Jameson's post: when you say given rating did you mean this rating is allowed to depend upon the party, or must it be party-independent?] The RRV PR-theorem was if the voters all are totally racist that is vote

Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Warren Smith
In AT-TV, suppose 30% of the voters vote Red=9, Blue=Green=0; 30% of the voters vote Blue=9, red=green=0; 40% of the voters vote Green=5, red=blue=4. Will it then elect 30% reds, 30% blues, and 40% greens? And do you consider that the right thing to do? --(in this situation, by the way, I

[EM] Quotaless STV

2011-07-09 Thread Toby Pereira
I was wondering if you could run a Single Transferable Vote election without worrying about having a Droop/Hare etc. quota.* I'm sort of thinking out loud and I'm not sure what sort of results this might produce. In the fist round, all candidates transfer away as many votes as they can get

Re: [EM] SODA

2011-07-09 Thread fsimmons
From: Jameson Quinn Here's the scenario you used to first show your tree method of determiningdelegation order. 16 A1A2B 12 A2A1B 24 BA1=A2 48 C What if some candidate outside the A1 A2 faction had an A2A1 preference? I mean either: Scenario S 16 A1A2B 12 A2A1B 24 BA2A1 48 C

[EM] Two Party Challenge

2011-07-09 Thread fsimmons
Here's an idea. First pick a party (with full knowledge who the candidates are in each party). Then hold an open primary to pick the winning candidate from the winning party. Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Challenge: two-party methods

2011-07-09 Thread Juho Laatu
On 9.7.2011, at 19.59, James Gilmour wrote: Juho I regret to have to say that I find your approach confused and confusing, and basically anti-democratic - which is a surprise and a disappointment. I agree that democracy as defined by this challenge sets some strict limits to how

Re: [EM] Median-based Proportional Representation

2011-07-09 Thread Warren Smith
On 7/9/11, Toby Pereira tdp2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Is this just the Instant Run-off version of STV that you're talking about that pays no attention to who you ranked below top? --all forms. They all go thru your ballot in descendign order and pay no attention to the part they haven't reached

Re: [EM] Two Party Challenge

2011-07-09 Thread Juho Laatu
On 9.7.2011, at 22.23, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: Here's an idea. First pick a party (with full knowledge who the candidates are in each party). Then hold an open primary to pick the winning candidate from the winning party. This sounds like a two-phase single winner election. The first

[EM] Quotaless STV

2011-07-09 Thread Warren Smith
Toby Pereira tdp201b at yahoo.co.uk: In the first round, all candidates transfer away as many votes as they can get away with so that they don't end up in last place. So if there are n candidates, then having more than 1/(n+1) votes will guarantee not finishing in last place. Because not every

Re: [EM] Quotaless STV

2011-07-09 Thread Toby Pereira
I did wonder that myself and considered mentioning in the post for some reason didn't. I'm not 100% sure. If it does make a difference you could easily add in some sort of rule to determine how to do it, although the more rules the uglier. You could do it in stages. At the first stage everyone