Re: [EM] Declaration of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts: final stretch

2011-09-07 Thread Dave Ketchum
Noise, but possibly worth a response. In writing about a Condorcet race the standard format seems to be AXY. For voting the ballot format seems to be to be able to assign rank numbers to as many of the candidates as the voter chooses. In reporting election results the n*n matrix has

Re: [EM] [CES #3566] Re: Declaration of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts: final stretch

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
this declaration is suffering from exactly what everybody most-complains about re the rangevoting.org website. I.e. it tried to cover everything and got large. In fact, enormous. That for a website is a flaw that is not necessarily an insurmountable obstacle since one can put short summary

[EM] Fix Philly Districts

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
https://www.fixphillydistricts.com They held another district-drawing contest. $500 prize. While the winning plan(s) seem to improve over the old ones, they don't strike me as ultra-wonderful. It seems plausible splitline or Olson would have done comparably or better. I noticed they

Re: [EM] [CES #3566] Re: Declaration of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts: final stretch

2011-09-07 Thread Toby Pereira
I agree that it's too long. I've had another go at culling come parts of it, but if anyone objects, feel free to revert some or all. From: Warren Smith warren@gmail.com To: electionscie...@googlegroups.com; election-methods election-meth...@electorama.com Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011,

Re: [EM] [CES #3566] Re: Declaration of Election-Method Experts and Enthusiasts: final stretch

2011-09-07 Thread Peter Zbornik
Dear all, the statement would probably benefit from executive summary of length 1/2 to 1 page. Best regards Peter Zbornik On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Toby Pereira tdp2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I agree that it's too long. I've had another go at culling come parts of it, but if anyone

[EM] SODA false claim

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
It is simply false to say SODA's simplicity (for either the voter, or the counters) beats any other system I know of. It is less simple than plain approval voting. Full stop. If you persist in making ludicrous statements, then you will hurt your credibility. -- Warren D. Smith

[EM] Lp-ball range

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
FW Simmons: Range voting is cardinal ratings with certain constraints on the possible ratings, namely that they have to fall within a certain interval or range of values, and usually limited to whole number values. Ignoring the whole number requirement, we could specify a constraint for an

Re: [EM] Lp-ball range

2011-09-07 Thread Andy Jennings
The unit ball for method two has no corners or bulges (which all other values of p involve), so the strategy is not so obvious. But if Samuel Merrill is right, then in the zero information case, the optimum strategy for method two is to vote appropriately normalized sincere utilities.

Re: [EM] SODA false claim

2011-09-07 Thread Andrew Myers
On 7/22/64 2:59 PM, Warren Smith wrote: It is simply false to say SODA's simplicity (for either the voter, or the counters) beats any other system I know of. It is less simple than plain approval voting. Full stop. If you persist in making ludicrous statements, then you will hurt your

Re: [EM] Lp-ball range

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Andy Jennings electi...@jenningsstory.com wrote: The unit ball for method two has no corners or bulges (which all other values of p involve), so the strategy is not so obvious. But if Samuel Merrill is right, then in the zero information case, the optimum

Re: [EM] SODA false claim

2011-09-07 Thread Jameson Quinn
Claim: SODA is simpler for voters than any system I know of, and specifically simpler for voters than approval. Justification: Simplest algorithm for voting Approval that is reasonably close to strategically optimal: Find the two frontrunners. Vote for one of them plus any candidate that's

Re: [EM] Fix Philly Districts (Warren Smith)

2011-09-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
Warren, I am fairly certain that you made a logic error by conflating the Roeck and Schwartzberg methods, which I believe are not equivalent. http://rangevoting.org/TheorDistrict.html In fact, the Schwartzberg method seems to me to be equivalent to the class of compactness measures which use

Re: [EM] Fix Philly Districts (Warren Smith)

2011-09-07 Thread Jameson Quinn
Here's a compactness measure I haven't seen proposed before: Compose a district boundary out of line segments. The thickness of a line segment is the closest distance of any voter to any point on that line segment. Minimize the total of the length of segments divided by their thickness. It is,

Re: [EM] Declaration ... - political-party direct-participation side issues

2011-09-07 Thread Fred Gohlke
Richard, re: Nothing in this statement should be interpreted to imply that we believe that election-method reform is the only area of existing political systems that currently needs reform. In fact, most of us also support other reforms such as broader

[EM] Meaning of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-09-07 Thread Warren Smith
Lundell: How does it keep me honest in that scenario? Presumably I'd vote 1-0-0; what's my motivation to do otherwise? Quinn: Because there's a small chance that your (first honest range) vote actually will decide between a lottery of some chance of A or C and a certainty of B. If you

Re: [EM] Declaration ... - political-party direct-participation side issues

2011-09-07 Thread Richard Fobes
On 9/7/2011 3:30 PM, Fred Gohlke wrote: Richard, re: Nothing in this statement should be interpreted to imply that we believe that election-method reform is the only area of existing political systems that currently needs reform. In fact, most of us also support other reforms such as broader

[EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-07 Thread Richard Fobes
On 9/7/2011 2:09 PM, Peter Zbornik wrote: I still think the 12 page declaration (incl table of contents) needs an executive summary. The table of contents does not in my honest opinion give good enough information. I agree that the declaration needs an executive summary. Here is what I've

Re: [EM] Executive Summary for Declaration

2011-09-07 Thread Andy Jennings
I do like the executive summary. Maybe it's a little too long? I think we could do without the sentence Some good Condorcet methods are:... I do think the PR section could be significantly shortened. I made a few changes. Feel free to review, roll back, and discuss if you think I have erred.