[EM] A problem?

2013-02-05 Thread Michael Ossipoff
I'd like comment more about this statement, because it it's typical of Richard's pattern: [quote] Another concern is that some people following this forum will believe all (or most) of what Michael says simply because currently he is so prolific, and because he sounds like he understands election

Re: [EM] The Green scenario, and IRV in the Green scenario, is a new topic here. Hence these additional comments. Clarification of position and why.

2013-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/05/2013 12:52 AM, Peter Zbornik wrote: Kristoffer, no the example below applies for my two-round proposal as well, thus rapidly sinking what I previously proposed :o) Nice to having had done away with the two-round variant of IRV. Now I don't have to bother about it any more. For

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On 5 Feb 2013, at 9:50 AM, Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, We recently managed, after some effort to elect some people in our party using STV (five of seven board members of the Czech Green Party and more recently some people to lead the Prague organisation etc.). We used

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Zbornik
2013/2/5 Jonathan Lundell jlund...@pobox.com: On 5 Feb 2013, at 9:50 AM, Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, We recently managed, after some effort to elect some people in our party using STV (five of seven board members of the Czech Green Party and more recently some people to

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On 5 Feb 2013, at 10:23 AM, Peter Zbornik pzbor...@gmail.com wrote: Say the default proportional ranking method elects women to all five seats, and thus that we need to modify it in a good way in order to satisfy the constraints. Now the question is: How should the quoted seats be

[EM] Example of constrained STV

2013-02-05 Thread S Sosnick
In Jun-2010, Britain's parliament used STV with two constraints to elect 3 deputy speakers. One constraint was that 2 of the 3 winners must be Labour MPs. The other constraint was that at least one of the 3 winners must be a woman.

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/05/2013 06:50 PM, Peter Zbornik wrote: Dear all, We recently managed, after some effort to elect some people in our party using STV (five of seven board members of the Czech Green Party and more recently some people to lead the Prague organisation etc.). We used standard fractional STV,

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/05/2013 06:50 PM, Peter Zbornik wrote: The problem (after a slight simplification) is as follows: We want to elect five seats with any proportional ranking method (like Schulze proportional ranking, or Otten's top-down or similar), using the Hagenbach-Bischoff quota

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Zbornik
Hi Kristofer, I am afraid your approach might in some cases not lead to proportionally distributed quoted-in candidates. For instance, say we have three coalitions: A, B, C. Coalition A and B get their first place candidate Coalition C get their second place candidate quoted-in (i.e. they would

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Zbornik
Hi Kristofer, I am sending a short P.S. to my email below just to clarify the example In the example in my email below we get the following result: Seat/place number (ordered) --- Coalition --- quotas apply 1 --- A, B --- no 2 --- C --- yes 3 --- A --- no 4 --- B --- no 5 --- C --- yes The

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread James Gilmour
Jonathan Lundell Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:40 PM There is, I think, an underlying misconception here, namely that STV order of election can be interpreted as a ranking of level of support. It's not, in the general case. Jonathan is absolutely right. If you want lists ordered by

Re: [EM] proportional constraints - help needed

2013-02-05 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 02/05/2013 09:37 PM, Peter Zbornik wrote: Hi Kristofer, I am afraid your approach might in some cases not lead to proportionally distributed quoted-in candidates. For instance, say we have three coalitions: A, B, C. Coalition A and B get their first place candidate Coalition C get their