Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread James Gilmour
Jameson Quinn Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:00 AM If I'm right, the claim is that voters, and especially politicians, are intuitively concerned with the possibility of someone winning with broad but shallow support. In Approval, Condorcet, Majority Judgment, or Range, a

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread Peter Zbornik
Dear all, I agree with James, and that was why I proposed that election reform took the path through added election rounds. Reform of FPTP would thus add a second election round where the Condorcet winner would meet the FPTP winner. Who in the UK would object to that? I described also how to

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 9/22/11 12:40 PM, James Gilmour wrote: I cannot comment on the quoted remark (cut) that prompted your post and I know nothing at all about the activities of anyone at FairVote, but you have hit on a real problem in practical politics in your comment above - the problem of the weak

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread Toby Pereira
From: James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk I don't think I would have a problem with C winning here, if the votes were all sincere. But that's the problem. They might not be. A and B supporters might just be putting C ahead of their perceived main rival. I suppose this is similar to the

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread James Gilmour
Peter Zbornik Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:41 PM I agree with James, and that was why I proposed that election reform took the path through added election rounds. Reform of FPTP would thus add a second election round where the Condorcet winner would meet the FPTP winner. Who in

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread James Gilmour
robert bristow-johnson Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 7:00 PM On 9/22/11 12:40 PM, James Gilmour wrote: But suppose the votes had been (again ignoring irrelevant preferences): 48 AC 47 BC 5 C C is still the Condorcet winner - no question about that. But I doubt

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-22 Thread James Gilmour
Toby PereiraSent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:11 PM From: James Gilmour jgilm...@globalnet.co.uk But suppose the votes had been (again ignoring irrelevant preferences): 48 AC 47 BC 5 C C is still the Condorcet winner - no question about that. But I doubt whether

Re: [EM] [CES #3650] FairVote folks are not the friendliest bunch

2011-09-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
On the center for election science mailing list, someone just forwarded a comment from a prominent member of FairVote. Stripped of the extremely rude ad-hominem attacks, this is the actual content of what he had to say: ... in the process of trying to pass your preferred system somewhere, you