Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion [?]

2013-06-13 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
On 06/08/2013 10:16 PM, Chris Benham wrote: Yes. Say there are three candidates: Right, Centre-Right and Left, and the approval votes cast are 49: Right 21: Centre-Right (all prefer Right to Left) 23: Left 07: Left, Centre-Right (sincere favourite is Left) Approval votes: Right 49, Left

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion [?]

2013-06-13 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:46 AM 6/13/2013, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Finally, I'd like to say that I do understand that reality is a lot less neat. What Abd says about differences in turnout in the first and second rounds of a runoff means that criteria are not as useful as for single-round methods because

[EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion [?]

2013-06-08 Thread Chris Benham
Yes. Say there are three candidates: Right, Centre-Right and Left, and the approval votes cast are 49: Right 21: Centre-Right (all prefer Right to Left) 23: Left 07: Left, Centre-Right (sincere favourite is Left)   Approval votes: Right 49, Left 30, Centre-Right 28. The top-2 runoff is between

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion [?]

2013-06-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Thanks to Chris for attempting this. This is a partisan election, apparently, which is an issue in terms of whether or not scenarios are realistic. But I'll set that aside for the moment. At 03:16 PM 6/8/2013, Chris Benham wrote: Yes. Say there are three candidates: Right, Centre-Right and

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion

2013-06-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:51 AM 6/7/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: I'm sorry, I don't want to get into an interminable back and forth with someone who misuses my name and doesn't apologize, and prefers you didn't prove it! to working anything out for themselves or asking nicely for evidence. Jameson, I responded

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion

2013-06-07 Thread Jameson Quinn
Let's just drop this. You're technically wrong but substantially right, and I don't see what's to be gained by convincing you of that that's worth the time I think it would take. As to the name thing, you called me James. No big deal, really. I made the Joe joke, then you didn't realize what I

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion

2013-06-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:10 PM 6/7/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: Let's just drop this. You're technically wrong but substantially right, and I don't see what's to be gained by convincing you of that that's worth the time I think it would take. As to the name thing, you called me James. No big deal, really. I made

[EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion

2013-06-06 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Subject was: Re: [EM] Someone thinks that Approval should meet the Mutual Majority Criterion At 01:56 PM 6/6/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2013/6/6 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com Another issue that was left a bit hanging in discussions on the CES list: Does

Re: [EM] Does Top Two Approval fail the Favorite Betrayal Criterion

2013-06-06 Thread Jameson Quinn
2013/6/6 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com Subject was: Re: [EM] Someone thinks that Approval should meet the Mutual Majority Criterion At 01:56 PM 6/6/2013, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2013/6/6 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma** b...@lomaxdesign.com a...@lomaxdesign.com