Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-28 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
James Gilmour wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:29 PM I'm not a UK politics expert, but it seems this is a minimal concession, of the sort one would see in negotiation. AV/IRV doesn't really lead to multiparty systems, if Australia is to be any judge. Instead,

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-28 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:18 PM James Gilmour wrote: Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:29 PM I'm not a UK politics expert, but it seems this is a minimal concession, of the sort one would see in negotiation. AV/IRV doesn't really

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-26 Thread James Gilmour
Kristofer Munsterhjelm Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 2:29 PM I'm not a UK politics expert, but it seems this is a minimal concession, of the sort one would see in negotiation. AV/IRV doesn't really lead to multiparty systems, if Australia is to be any judge. Instead, you get two

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-25 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Bob Crossley wrote: I defer to Walabio's point about Fair Votes as I know nothing about US politics but I strongly suspect that they are currently getting a lot of support from across the Atlantic. You may have heard that in May the UK will have a referendum on introducing IRV (we call it

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-25 Thread Raph Frank
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no wrote: I'm not a UK politics expert, but it seems this is a minimal concession, of the sort one would see in negotiation. Also, since the concession was for a referendum not the actual policy, it isn't even a 100%

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread Bob Crossley
I defer to Walabio's point about Fair Votes as I know nothing about US politics but I strongly suspect that they are currently getting a lot of support from across the Atlantic. You may have heard that in May the UK will have a referendum on introducing IRV (we call it AV, as you probably

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread Raph Frank
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Bob Crossley bobc1ethel...@btinternet.com wrote: (PS. I'd be interested in links to good research contesting the claimthat AV makes tactical voting redundant - although I will vote Yes, I think the false claims being made by the Yes camp are dangerous and

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread Bob Crossley
Thanks, that confirms my understanding. The problem here in he UK is that in many seats we do have 3 big parties, and in Scotland and Wales, where there are nationalist parties included also, there are sometimes 4. (Northern Ireland has even more!) In these cases not voting tactically under

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi Bob, --- En date de : Jeu 24.2.11, Bob Crossley bobc1ethel...@btinternet.com a écrit : The problem here in he UK is that in many seats we do have 3 big parties, and in Scotland and Wales, where there are nationalist parties included also, there are sometimes 4. (Northern Ireland has even

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:43 PM, Kevin Venzke wrote: I don't think IRV opponents will criticize that IRV is vulnerable to strategic voting. this opponent does. (quotes used because i voted to retain IRV in Burlington VT last year.) IRV did not eliminate the burden of strategic voting, but

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-24 Thread Jameson Quinn
There is a bit of research supporting that view which is quoted in the Wikipedia piece John J. Bartholdi III, James B. Orlin (1991) Single transferable vote resists strategic voting,http://www.isye.gatech.edu/~jjb/papers/stv.pdf I can't say my understanding of it is all that great, but it

[EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-23 Thread Kathy Dopp
Can anyone tell me the history? How did the wikipedia on IRV get taken over by the proponents of IRV? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_runoff_voting It is obvious with statements like Using ranked preference ballots, any number of candidates can run without spoiling being a factor. and

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-23 Thread ⸘Ŭalabio‽
Can anyone tell me the history? How did the wikipedia on IRV get taken over by the proponents of IRV? http://wikipedia.org/wiki/instant_runoff_voting This is simple: FairVote has made it 1 of its objectives to control this article: 1 of the greatest

Re: [EM] Why is wikipedia so biased pro-IRV?

2011-02-23 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:40 PM, ⸘Ŭalabio‽ wrote: Can anyone tell me the history? How did the wikipedia on IRV get taken over by the proponents of IRV? http://wikipedia.org/wiki/instant_runoff_voting This is simple: FairVote has made it 1 of its objectives to