Re: [EM] good method ? was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-15 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I seem to be one of the few people on this list who recognizes that I don't read voters' minds and cannot convert one vote-type to another for voters. Kathy, there was no reading of voter's minds. What was

Re: [EM] good method ? was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-15 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm
Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: We may disagree with the counting method that is applied when 35:A 32:BC 33:C occurs, but it seems very clear that the Condorcet winner in this case is C, as you seem to agree with me in this case. Yes. The A

Re: [EM] good method ? was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-15 Thread Dave Ketchum
Clearly there has been a lack of clarity in this thread. While others may have made the mess you joined in, seems like you might have stated your objections more clearly. From IRV ballot pile and previous discussion of such piles, the subject is IRV, a method that has rules. Then there

Re: [EM] good method ? was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:59 PM 2/14/2010, Kathy Dopp wrote: From: Chris Benham cbenha...@yahoo.com.au 35:A 32:BC 33:C, by which I mean 35:AB=C 32:BCA 33:CA=B. Kathy doesn't seem to recognize this, or maybe she does, but the two statements are equivalent. By not ranking B and C, the voter

Re: [EM] good method ? was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-14 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: We may disagree with the counting method that is applied when 35:A 32:BC 33:C occurs, but it seems very clear that the Condorcet winner in this case is C, as you seem to agree with me in this case. Yes. The A voters express

Re: [EM] good method ? , was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-13 Thread Kathy Dopp
From: Chris Benham cbenha...@yahoo.com.au To: EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com Rob LeGrand wrote (11 Feb 2010): snip 35:A 32:BC 33:C, by which I mean 35:AB=C 32:BCA 33:CA=B. In this example, C is the Condorcet winner even though C does not have a majority over B.? I can

[EM] good method ? , was IRV ballot pile count (proof of closed form)

2010-02-12 Thread Chris Benham
Rob LeGrand wrote (11 Feb 2010): snip 35:A 32:BC 33:C, by which I mean 35:AB=C 32:BCA 33:CA=B. In this example, C is the Condorcet winner even though C does not have a majority over B.  I can see how this example could be seen as an embarrassment to the Condorcet criterion, in that a good