Re: [EM] Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-29 Thread Bart Ingles
One reason I have been limiting myself to 0..10 in recent postings, rather than 0..100 or some such, is that the former seems less likely to convey an unintended false precision -- even if it were possible to collect sincere ratings with one part in 100 accuracy, there would be little agreement on

[EM] Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-29 Thread DEMOREP1
Minor addition to my last posting- With a 0 to 100 scale, there would be 101 units. The 51 to 100 (50 units) would be YES. The 0 to 50 (51 units) would be NO. Similar for 0 to 10-- 11 units 6 to 10 (5 units) would be YES. 0 to 5 (6 units) would be NO. To keep things somewhat simple (for the l

[EM] Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-27 Thread DEMOREP1
Mr. Ossipoff wrote in part- Demorep: Will you start advocating -100 to +100 as an improvement over IRV? --- D- The use of ratings would be to upgrade Approval (not IRV) to match reality--- even acceptable candidates have different degrees of acceptability. A YES (shorthand for 0 to +100)/NO (

Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-26 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Demorep wrote: > >Ratings go from plus 100 percent support to minus 100 percent opposition. > >B 95 >D 80 >E -20 >A -90 >others -100 A -100 to +100 ratings system might be a very winnable reform proposal. It's obvious, well-known & familiar, gives voters good freedom of expression, and is stra

Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-26 Thread Forest Simmons
Thanks to everyone for their insights on the Borda Count. I do not intend to propose the use of the Borda Count (or any other method that converts rankings to ratings) as a practical election method. But when someone (like Craig L.) proposes a hypothetical situation in terms of rankings, and ask

Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-25 Thread Bart Ingles
I prefer 0 to 100 percent (or 0.0 to 1.0). Says the same thing, but simpler. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > For newer folks- > > Ratings go from plus 100 percent support to minus 100 percent opposition. > > B 95 > D 80 > E -20 > A -90 > others -100 > > Giving a rating to each ranked choice

Re: Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-25 Thread DEMOREP1
For newer folks- Ratings go from plus 100 percent support to minus 100 percent opposition. B 95 D 80 E -20 A -90 others -100 Giving a rating to each ranked choice would lessen the *mandate* syndrome that too often leads to power madness in public officers (especially *politicians* in legislat

Re: [EM] Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-25 Thread Bart Ingles
Forest Simmons wrote: > > If you have a definite preference here, then the Borda Count doesn't > represent you additively, as in the common assumption of aggregation of > partial individual utilities. As Joe Weinstein pointed out, this problem > is related to the additive assumption of aggrega

Re: [EM] Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-25 Thread Bart Ingles
I can't speak for Mike, but my own view is that there really is no good way to convert rankings to ratings. There might be a way to argue that some of the ranked choices have more relevance, and thus deserve more weight than a strict Borda weighting, but I don't see how this could be a major imp

[EM] Alternatives to Borda Count

2001-01-25 Thread Forest Simmons
In a recent posting Mike Ossipoff mentioned that there are better alternatives than the Borda Count for converting ranked ballots to ratings. I'm not sure what he had in mind, but here's one thought along those lines. Suppose that someone came running after a two winner election and told me that