Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread James Gilmour
On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely different voting system from IRV, with different objectives. The preferences are no longer 'contingency

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:09:49 - James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 18:01 Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does. It wasn't my intent to make any point for or against IRV, but it interesting another thread is discussing the

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:46:07 - James Gilmour wrote: On Dec 22, 2007, at 6:45 AM, James Gilmour wrote: If you wish to utilise in some way all the information that could be recorded on a preferential ballot, that is a completely different voting system from IRV, with different objectives. The

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread James Gilmour
Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots and voting systems incorrectly. James Gilmour No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-22 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:03 - James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52 Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences: That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots and voting systems incorrectly. Topic of the

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Ian Fellows
winner behind. cheers, Ian -Original Message- From: Dave Ketchum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:47 PM To: Ian Fellows Cc: Election Methods Mailing List Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections? Condorcet

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Ian Fellows, the Nanson method and the Baldwin method violate monotonicity and independence of clones. They also violate the desideratum that candidates, who are not in the Smith set, should not have any impact on the result of the elections. When you try to get a Condorcet method adopted

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Ian Fellows
Of Markus Schulze Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections? Dear Ian Fellows, the Nanson method and the Baldwin method violate monotonicity and independence of clones. They also violate

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Dave Ketchum
List Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections? Condorcet caught my eye - I think it deserves more attention but do not know how to get there. I see Borda as more complex, without offering benefits to justify the cost. I do not see

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
Schulze Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections? Dear Ian Fellows, the Nanson method and the Baldwin method violate monotonicity and independence of clones. They also violate

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
] ]On Behalf Of Markus Schulze Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections? Dear Ian Fellows, the Nanson method and the Baldwin method violate monotonicity and independence