IMHO, Sergey tried to kill a rabbit (no pun intented) and shot other. (I
think this only make sense in Portuguese...) When we started discussing
the web page mockup we stumbled upon a more important issue: the
decision-make process of elementary.
I don't think is doable everybody voting
+1
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Andre Luis dos Santos
andre_luis...@hotmail.com wrote:
IMHO, Sergey tried to kill a rabbit (no pun intented) and shot other. (I
think this only make sense in Portuguese...) When we started discussing the
web page mockup we stumbled upon a more important
Andre,
I agree with you, and I think elementary needs to continue improving
things in this area. I would, however, like to dispel a myth you set
forth in your email: Ubuntu has many secrets and dark-room-decisions,
trust me. That doesn't mean that we should at all, just pointing out
the error.
Hi all,
Let's stop about that: the decision making process isn't satifactory, we
all agree on that. I agree with Sergey about most of the things he says,
and I would be happy we improve it. Please note that I am not in the
council, so this We is neither the council nor the elementary philosophy,
2012/7/4 xapantu xapa...@gmail.com:
Please don't hope you'll get 10,000$ a month with eOS. If we get enough to
pay 10 travel to our community by year, it'll be very good. Well, we can
hope we'll be able to drink something too if we meet. NOBODY will be paid
before several years, forget that.
As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and responsibilities
outside of elementary. That means that we're not always able to meet every
week and discuss every issue.
In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something that
needs to be run through you first for
Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic, whole-team
decision making process rather than a more centralized decision making
process?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
A decision that affects developers greatly was made without them even
knowing, left alone being able to influence the decision.
To be honest, the exact details of how we present the iso download on our
front page doesn't greatly effect developers. elementary is and always has
been open source;
That did not answer my question at all.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is
changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and
we're still providing a way for
Still, how is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote:
Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
in the topic make the
On Jul 3, 2012 3:19 PM, Scott Ringwelski sgrin...@mtu.edu wrote:
Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:
1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay your
developers.
That would obviously be very far down the line once elementary is a
As Cassidy and I have both been trying to say, there has been absolutely no
change whatsoever to our revenue model
It might be helpful if you could describe what you perceived our revenue
model to be in the past and what changes you have heard are happening.
As far as I am aware, the only change
Scott, you honestly sound like you're trolling at this point. We are
elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with elementary
and perhaps it's more clear.
You say you can't rely on developers?
Nope. I'm saying elementary should not have to rely on the people who are
graciously
We are elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with
elementary and perhaps it's more clear.
Last time I checked nobody knew what elementary was. When Dan was
asked this by Cassidy back in 2010 AFAIR, it was a philosophy. So, no,
s/we/elementary/ doesn't make things any more
Replace we with the elementary community then. I think it was pretty
clear what he meant.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Сергей Давыдов shnat...@gmail.com wrote:
We are elementary. Replace we in every one of those instances with
elementary and perhaps it's more clear.
Last time I checked
Trolling? Really? For the most part, council makes all of elementary's
decisions, and therefore represents elementary.
And besides, as Sergey said, replacing we with elementary makes some
pretty awkward sentences such as elementary doesn't ask the developers for
their input, but it does make
2012/7/4 Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org:
Replace we with the elementary community then. I think it was pretty
clear what he meant.
Also works with Scott's examples. And using a passive impersonal
construction (e.g. nobody is getting paid...) also works. Cool!
Still, Scott makes a valid
He didn't say it was, he said we haven't changed the revenue model, just
the web design.
On Jul 3, 2012 3:53 PM, Jaap Broekhuizen jaap...@gmail.com wrote:
Still, how is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote:
Yes
Now to you Sergey, I realize you are very passionate about what you do,
but sometimes you are too passionate about it as well. Cool down, don't
treaten with you leaving before having a open discussion with everyone, not
just one person(in this case Dan). Because that surely pissed off the
I may have not made it perfectly clear, but I'm not discussing the decision
here. The way the decision was made is what I have a problem with. I
appreciate that you consulted Canonical and Yorba, but at the same time you
didn't consult your very own developers. A decision that affects developers
Sergey,
elementary has been moving in the direction of more openness and more
transparency since it's inception. We're still not perfect, but we are
getting better all the time. Most decisions used to be made by the
council, but now most decisions are made in the contributor meeting.
We will
Yesterday I announced in #elementary-dev and #elementary-web that I'm
quitting the project. Rumors spread fast and they're usually more scary
than truth is, so I'm writing this to clarify what happened, what caused me
to do that and if I'm really quitting.
*What happened*
I'm attaching the
Shnatsel,
As a free-software community researcher myself (in social studies,
tought) I can wholeheartly agree with you. I think myself that trying to
guide the users to pay the software isn't the best solution, and can
drive potential users away. But that's not the scope (what a strange
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