Having the list of languages is good, but I think we also need to
include a message in the user's language (as derived from the current
locale), as others have suggested.
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Quite a number of standard bindings are defined in simple.el.
Is there some reason they are in simple.el rather than bindings.el?
If not, I'll move them bindings.el for consistency.
I see no reason to keep them in simple.el.
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Some other old pre-mule files in the same directory may also be
obsolete--but not necessarily all of them. Could you look around
and tell me which of them you think are obsolete?
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Your code looks good to me, except for one point: every major mode's
symbol name should be a function that *unconditionally* switches to
that mode. You've set it up so that `image-mode' is a function that
usually switches to Image mode, but not always. That's not right.
So I think you should lea
1. Set both `invisible' and `display' properties. It seems the
display engine ignores the `invisible' property when the `display'
property is present. But isearch still respects it.
I agree that that way is the best--if we decide that the current
behavior when invisible and dis
It seems like you're going to an awful lot of trouble to get something
to work which will already be obsolete when you're finished... Are
you really confident that doing it this way is less work than simply
starting with a modern version of Emacs and porting over the platform
specific bits you wan
At Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:04:00 +0900,
Yoichi NAKAYAMA wrote:
>
> At Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:52:33 +0900,
> Yoichi NAKAYAMA wrote:
> >
> > The change in keyswap.el:
> >
> > 2005-03-19 Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > * obsolete/keyswap.el: Moved to obsolete/ from term/.
> >
> > bro
FWIW, I've added Jan's branch to my arch archive as "emacs--xft-jhd--0".
-Miles
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Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It would be wrong for preview-latex, probably one of the most
> important applications extensively using the display property.
>
> With all due respect, I have not been shown a reason to consider
> that package tremendously important. All use
Kevin Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> It seems the problem is due to `back-to-indentation' which skips
>> chars with a "whitespace" syntax and NBSP does have whitespace
>> syntax. Maybe NBSP shouldn't have whitespace syntax.
>
> Whaaa? What syntax should it have in
Shouldn't we move iso-acc.el to the `obsolete' subdir?
After all the input methods do basically the same, only better.
I think so.
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#4 0x0815c07e in Fre_search_forward (regexp=1107790763, bound=1107790763,
noerror=1107790763, count=1107790763) at search.c:2160
I am not sure what to do next. I tried this:
You need to display the value of regexp in Lisp syntax. That is done
with the pr command.
Haven't you
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:05:18 +0900 Miles Bader wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:03:51 +0100, David Hansen wrote:
>> in sh-mode: the $ in $test has syntax 2 = word in perl-mode
>> syntax 10 = character quote and in cperl-mode it's 9 = escape.
>>
> In sh, the $ is not really part of the name, so havi
It would be wrong for preview-latex, probably one of the most
important applications extensively using the display property.
With all due respect, I have not been shown a reason to consider that
package tremendously important. All user program are important to
some extent, but I don't see
Stefan Monnier wrote:
It seems the problem is due to `back-to-indentation' which skips chars with
a "whitespace" syntax and NBSP does have whitespace syntax.
Maybe NBSP shouldn't have whitespace syntax.
Whaaa? What syntax should it have instead?
Perhaps whitespace is actually a category consisting
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:03:51 +0100, David Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in sh-mode: the $ in $test has syntax 2 = word in perl-mode
> syntax 10 = character quote and in cperl-mode it's 9 = escape.
>
> I think it should at least be unique (I prefer the sh-mode
> version as you can move the po
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:51:37 +0100, Jan D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, I've made a branch in CVS, tag is XFT_JHD_BRANCH (jhd is my
> initials). I hope I didn't breake anything in CVS :-)
BTW, any time you make a branch tag, it's also good to make a
corresponding non-branch `base' tag whic
Quite a number of standard bindings are defined in simple.el.
Is there some reason they are in simple.el rather than bindings.el?
If not, I'll move them bindings.el for consistency.
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Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> (defun gnus-parse-active ()
>"Parse active info in the nntp server buffer."
> - (save-excursion
> -(set-buffer nntp-server-buffer)
> + (with-current-buffer nntp-server-buffer
> (goto-char (point-min))
Are you sure that not saving (and r
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> One thing I wonder about -- when displaying something in the fringe on
> a graphic display you must :inherit `fringe' to get the background
> correct (otherwise it uses the `default' background); shouldn't
> redisplay merge any face us
Hello,
in sh-mode: the $ in $test has syntax 2 = word in perl-mode
syntax 10 = character quote and in cperl-mode it's 9 = escape.
I think it should at least be unique (I prefer the sh-mode
version as you can move the point across variables with M-f and
M-b).
David
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:19:42 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If info formats the text and replaces "*note" with something else, it
> can [expletive deleted] well equip it with some text property or
> similar for finding the cross reference. This would actually speed up
> the cros
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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:44:55 -0500
If you send a patch that does this automatically, so it won't need
maintenance, we can consider it.
such a patch is appended. it falls back to the original message if
`data-directory' is nil for some rea
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think this is a tempest in a teapot, and I wish people
> would drop this subject and move on to fixing some of the bugs
> that have recently been reported.
Just FYI, Drew took this off-list with a few people copied, and
basically he and I seemed to
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:18:44 +0100
>>
>> > Emacs Tutorial Learn-by-doing tutorial (in your language)
>>
>> I am afraid that it would be hyperbol
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Please don't. I can't see any advantage of breaking working packages
>> right now for no currently apparent significant practical advantage.
>
> I agree that handling the `display' property in a way similar to
Simon Josefsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The code below looks very odd:
>>
>> (save-excursion
>> (save-restriction
>> (set-buffer nntp-server-buffer)
>> (goto-char (point-min))
>> (when (or (
Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Maybe this is not the time to ask, but I simply do not understand
>> why an overlay is used in the Info buffer to hide "note" and
>> display "see". Why can't the text in the buffer be changed instead?
>> Wo
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The code below looks very odd:
>
> (save-excursion
> (save-restriction
> (set-buffer nntp-server-buffer)
> (goto-char (point-min))
> (when (or (search-forward "\n.\n" nil t)
> (
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:28:57 -0500, Stefan Monnier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Similarly, it would be good to provide a Gtk "theme" that gives
Xaw-like
behavior (or some other: there used to be a variety of useful
behaviors in
various scrollbars, such as the one used in the Smalltalk machine,
...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johan BockgÃrd) writes:
> - Run `emacs -Q -nw'
>
> - Evaluate
>
>(set-display-table-slot
> standard-display-table
> 'vertical-border
> (let* ((face 'isearch)
>(face-offset (lsh (face-id face) 19)))
> (+ face-offset ?\|)))
>
> - Hit `C-x 3'.
I
One thing I wonder about -- when displaying something in the fringe on
a graphic display you must :inherit `fringe' to get the background
correct (otherwise it uses the `default' background); shouldn't
redisplay merge any face used in the fringe withh the `fringe' face
during di
But /home//:~//info will *not* be treated like /:~//info.
Whether it's a bug or feature, I don't know, but I find it surprising.
I agree it would be more natural to change this.
Just because /: suppresses special treatment of following text
does not mean previous text must suppress special
I think this is a tempest in a teapot, and I wish people
would drop this subject and move on to fixing some of the bugs
that have recently been reported.
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Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2. Perhaps image-mode should be minor mode for extensions like
>.xbm and .xpm which already have associated major mode c-mode
>in auto-mode-alist.
>
> Someone else can do that.
I can't find a solution better than below.
With this
Emacs Tutorial: bg, cn, cs, de, en, es, fr, it, ja, ko, nl, pl, pt_BR,
ro, ru, sk, sl, sv, th, zh
If you send a patch that does this automatically, so it won't need
maintenance, we can consider it.
The idea of using national flags is cute but I think it is not useful.
I do
Your changes are well-written. I don't know the answers to the
two questions, though.
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> - Steps to reproduce with a recent CVS emacs:
> start emacs -Q
> switch some buffer to text-mode: M-x text-mode
> activate auto-fill-mode: M-x auto-fill-mode
> insert the following text:
> blahblah blahblah blahblahblah blahblah blahblahblah blahblah blahblah blah
> (note that the last space is
> Wait, wouldn't it be more friendly to make this
>
> "Deutsches Tutorial zum schnellen Erlernen von Emacs"
Urgh, why not just
Kurze Einführung in Emacs
It's really not necessary to emphasize `Deutsch' -- of course it would
be funny to have
Österreichsche Einführung in Emacs
We
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Shouldn't we move iso-acc.el to the `obsolete' subdir?
> After all the input methods do basically the same, only better.
It was good when I wrote it. It can go now.
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- Steps to reproduce with a recent CVS emacs:
start emacs -Q
switch some buffer to text-mode: M-x text-mode
activate auto-fill-mode: M-x auto-fill-mode
insert the following text:
blahblah blahblah blahblahblah blahblah blahblahblah blahblah blahblah blah
(note that the last space is an unbreakab
> -'("&\\(\\sw+\\)" 1 font-lock-function-name-face)
> +'("&\\(\\sw+\\(::\\sw+\\)*\\)" 1 font-lock-function-name-face)
> ;; Additionally underline non-scalar variables. Maybe this is a bad
> idea.
> ;;'("[EMAIL PROTECTED](\\sw+\\)" 1 font-lock-variable-name-face)
> -'("[$*]{?
Embarrassingly enough, my problem was a stale
,
| (setq font-lock-keywords 't)
`
in my .Emacs (which I was even to stupid to find using C-s). Taking
that line out resolved the problem; moreover don't I have any idea why
it was there in the first place. (I also don't see why it does make
a
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:24:27 +0900
> From: Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:55:13 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Emacs TutorialLearn-by-doing tutorial (in your language)
>
> How abou
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:18:44 +0100
>
> > Emacs TutorialLearn-by-doing tutorial (in your language)
>
> I am afraid that it would be hyperbole to quite a few people. We
> don't have every lan
> re_match_2_internal
> ... is the inner function that does regexp matching. Could you
> please show a backtrace of the inner 5 or 10 C stack frames that call
> it? Then we will see which C primitive was called.
> Also, by looking at the args to that C primitive, you
The code below looks very odd:
(save-excursion
(save-restriction
(set-buffer nntp-server-buffer)
(goto-char (point-min))
(when (or (search-forward "\n.\n" nil t)
(goto-char (point-max)))
(beginning-of-line)
David Kastrup wrote:
And it may also be annoying to, say, the Swiss who get to
see flags of a bunch of different nations for the languages they speak
themselves.
More so to the English, who rarely get even a Union Jack to represent
their language, let alone the George's Cross.
Flags are a terr
Shouldn't we move iso-acc.el to the `obsolete' subdir?
After all the input methods do basically the same, only better.
Stefan
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"Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Maybe this is not the time to ask, but I simply do not understand why an
> overlay is used in the Info buffer to hide "note" and display "see". Why
> can't the text in the buffer be changed instead? Would not that be better
> for the search functions?
David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Please don't. I can't see any advantage of breaking working packages
> right now for no currently apparent significant practical advantage.
I agree that handling the `display' property in a way similar to the
`invisible' property could break existing pa
Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> Because bootstrap-emacs does not have the newest autoloads
> preloaded, but rather the old ones from ldefs-boot.el.
I see. Tricky stuff.
[...]
> I've now updated lips/ldefs-boot.el and removed the require from
> generic-x.el again.
Thanks!
On Mar 16, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
I apologize for the "retro" question, but I was wondering if there
was an
easy way to convert a character in the Emacs-20 internal 19-bit
encoding
(from FAST_GLYPH_CHAR(glyph)) to UTF-8 (preferable) or straight
Unicode.
I'd like to do it fully
Hi.
When perl-mode decides to fontify variables and functions by looking
at the syntax prefix ($ or &) in a word, it does not take into account
that maybe the variable or function can be of an external module.
So in expresions "$Foo::bar" or "&Foo:bar" only "Foo" is
fontified. This looks ackward
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The warnings indicate that the define-generic-mode macro is not
> defined when generic-x.el is compiled. define-generic-mode is an
> autoloaded macro in generic.el and it seems that autoloads for
> generic.el are created. So why isn't generic loaded whe
"Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> (Sorry for making a new thread, i have deleted the old messages about this
> issue.)
>
> Maybe this is not the time to ask, but I simply do not understand
> why an overlay is used in the Info buffer to hide "note" and display
> "see". Why can't the t
(Sorry for making a new thread, i have deleted the old messages about this
issue.)
Maybe this is not the time to ask, but I simply do not understand why an
overlay is used in the Info buffer to hide "note" and display "see". Why
can't the text in the buffer be changed instead? Would not that be be
- Original Message -
From: "Johan Bockgård" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> - Run `emacs -Q -nw'
>
> - Evaluate
>
>(set-display-table-slot
> standard-display-table
> 'vertical-border
> (let* ((face 'isearch)
>(face-offset (lsh (face-id face) 19)))
> (+ face-offset
Lute Kamstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> What is the purpose of the following change to generic-x, which breaks
>> bootstrapping:
>>
>> * generic-x.el: Don't prevent compilation. Don't require generic.
>> Follow coding conventions. Minor
re_match_2_internal
... is the inner function that does regexp matching. Could you
please show a backtrace of the inner 5 or 10 C stack frames that call
it? Then we will see which C primitive was called.
Also, by looking at the args to that C primitive, you can see
Oliver Scholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> Just one issue that might come up later. I would be grateful if
>>> you'd also think about ways to customize AA per font and/or face
>>> along the way; provided that this is feasible at all.
>>
>> AFAIK this can b
- Run `emacs -Q -nw'
- Evaluate
(set-display-table-slot
standard-display-table
'vertical-border
(let* ((face 'isearch)
(face-offset (lsh (face-id face) 19)))
(+ face-offset ?\|)))
- Hit `C-x 3'.
--
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
turn_on_f
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The simplest solution is to treat the `display' property like
> `invisible' property and to skip the text displayed over the
> original text.
>
> I think that is the right thing to do.
It would be wrong for preview-latex, probably one of
Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Just one issue that might come up later. I would be grateful if you'd
>> also think about ways to customize AA per font and/or face along the
>> way; provided that this is feasible at all.
>
> AFAIK this can be controlled globally (for all Xft apps) with the c
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:36:08 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you can't control the scroll
> amount to get just the right window start for getting a
> block/function/loop fully on-screen. Something which, by the way, is
> also hard to do by
> Just one issue that might come up later. I would be grateful if you'd
> also think about ways to customize AA per font and/or face along the
> way; provided that this is feasible at all.
AFAIK this can be controlled globally (for all Xft apps) with the config
file (whose name escapes me just now
The primitive that appears in the backtraces from the older instance,
but not the newer is
re_match_2_internal
which is in emacs/src/regex.c.
That is the inner function that does regexp matching. Could you
please show a backtrace of the inner 5 or 10 C stack frames that ca
The simplest solution is to treat the `display' property like `invisible'
property and to skip the text displayed over the original text.
I think that is the right thing to do.
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Somehow, after trying another `cvs -q -z3 up -dP', and getting no
output, the build with exactly the same command as below, worked.
I'm glad it worked.
When you speak of the operating system that is basically the GNU
system with Linux added, would you please call it "GNU/Linux"? If you
c
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Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0900 (JST), Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> What kind of flag do you mean? If you mean "national flag",
>> I think it's a very bad idea.
>
> Why?
There is a good article explaining why using country flags as sy
"Jan D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> I have started on Xft support,
Just one issue that might come up later. I would be grateful if you'd
also think about ways to customize AA per font and/or face along the
way; provided that this is feasible at all.
AA may look good, but it also makes th
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0900 (JST), Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> > If you've got flag icons, then it could be "in LANGUAGE (FLAG)" for
>> > even more super-standout appeal...
>>
>> What kind of f
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> how difficult would it be to make "--without-toolkit-scroll-bars" a
> runtime instead of or in addition to being a compile-time option?
>
> It would be quite hard, and I don't want to do it.
Well, then I should probably get back to nagging GT
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:20:34 -0800, Drew Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In reply to David's point about preview-latex needing to search and find the
>> meta-text: I agree that programs need to be able to find meta-text. The
>> point is to separate suc
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0900 (JST), Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> > If you've got flag icons, then it could be "in LANGUAGE (FLAG)" for
>> > even more super-standout appeal...
>>
>> What kind of flag do you mean? If you mean "natio
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:28:57 -0500, Stefan Monnier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Similarly, it would be good to provide a Gtk "theme" that gives Xaw-like
> behavior (or some other: there used to be a variety of useful behaviors in
> various scrollbars, such as the one used in the Smalltalk machine,
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:50:14 -0500
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>>From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:44:37 +0100
>>
>>! Emacs Tutorial Learn-by-d
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:15:35 +0900 (JST), Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > If you've got flag icons, then it could be "in LANGUAGE (FLAG)" for
> > even more super-standout appeal...
>
> What kind of flag do you mean? If you mean "national flag",
> I think it's a very bad idea.
Why?
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is the purpose of the following change to generic-x, which breaks
> bootstrapping:
>
> * generic-x.el: Don't prevent compilation. Don't require generic.
> Follow coding conventions. Minor code cleanup.
>
> I am referring to the "Don't
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If you've got flag icons, then it could be "in LANGUAGE (FLAG)" for
> even more super-standout appeal...
What kind of flag do you mean? If you mean "national flag",
I think it's a very bad idea.
---
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