Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> A related issue that I *did* find disturbing: on recent versions of
> Fedora Core, the default Dired ordering interleaved dot-files with
> ordinary files, because of some DWIMish behavior of the underlying
> `ls' implementation. I added "setenv LC_ALL
Could those who are interested in Windows please discuss this
among themselves, not here?
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Juanma Barranquero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 7/7/05, Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I love how Emacs is a consistent environment across the various
>> operating systems it runs on, and would much prefer it for the
>> default Dired behavior to continue to be the same across
LENNART BORGMAN schrieb:
> Interesting. I can see your point. However do you use w32? Do you not find it
> disturbing then that the ordering of files are different in Emacs than
> outside Emacs on w32?
> Maybe you never leave Emacs? But for newbies who are used to other apps under
> w32, would i
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:53:58 -0700
> Cc:
>
> I don't think uid and gid will be too useful on Windows.
IMHO, they will be as useful as they are on Posix platforms; I don't
see any difference.
> Most Windows users will be on one-user (standalone, perso
> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:06:49 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> >>Since Emacs started its route much have changed. The users on different
> >>platforms now tend to request that applications adhere to what they are
> >>used to.
Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
>>
>> I suppose it would make sense, yes.
>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would
> IOW, aside from putting directories first and not being
case-sensitive, the
> Windows listing also throws out the uid and gid, which don't
mean a lot for
> Windows.
They might not mean a lot now, but that's only because no one bothered
to write the code to use the Win
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
I never use ls outside some sh like shell.
Why not?
I can see faster on the output from cmd:s dir what is a directory for
example.
I think that the necessary integration
with different platforms must not be hampered by the consistent
cross-platform behaviour.
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:35:53 -0700
> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
>
> IOW, aside from putting directories first and not being case-sensitive, the
> Windows listing also throws out the uid and gid, which don't mean a lot for
> Windows.
They might not m
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:44:02 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke
> >`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe.
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke
`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe.
I never use ls outside some sh like shell.
I think you are misreading the principle of consistent cross-platform
behavior as ``resistan
> I've been doing the same thing Juanma does (code above). But
I wonder if
> there isn't a bug in `ls-lisp.el'. Notice the commented-out line in
> `ls-lisp-emulation' (below). Commenting it out does not make
sense in light
> of the code of `ls-ignore-case', `ls-lisp-dirs-fir
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:53:01 +0200
> From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> >And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> Uhm..., I have done that a couple of times...
>
>
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:43:59 -0700
> Cc: Emacs-Pretest-Bug
>
> I've been doing the same thing Juanma does (code above). But I wonder if
> there isn't a bug in `ls-lisp.el'. Notice the commented-out line in
> `ls-lisp-emulation' (below). Commenting it o
> From: LENNART BORGMAN
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files
> are different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs?
I can't speak for Lennart, but I would say that Windows users are used to
seeing, in dialog bo
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-)
Uhm..., I have done that a couple of times...
Sadly enough I am working mostly from the cmd shell. I have tried for
example MSYS sh, but I found that the integration with ms windows is not
good eno
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:55:19 +0200
> From: LENNART BORGMAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are different
> in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
And what, may I ask, do you use outside Emacs? Isn't it "ls -l"? ;-
> From: Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 01:28:22 -0700
>
> >> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
> >
> > I suppose it would make sense, yes.
>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is.
Here's another.
> I love how Emacs
> is a consistent enviro
> Interesting. I can see your point. However do you use w32?
Yes, I do (as well as FreeBSD, Mac OS X, and occasionally GNU/Linux).
> Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are
> different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32?
Nope, I don't find that disturbing at all.
A rel
>>In dired files are sorted case sensitive. This does not make
sense on an
>>OS with case insensitive file system. Is there any way to get the
>>listing in dired sorted case insensitive?
>
>If you're on Windows, dired is using the Lisp emulation of `ls', that
>is, ls-lis
From: Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
> continue to be the same across all supported
On 7/7/05, Edward O'Connor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love how Emacs
> is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
> runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
> continue to be the same across all supported systems.
That's the eternal tension b
>> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
>
> I suppose it would make sense, yes.
Here's one vote for leaving the default as it is. I love how Emacs
is a consistent environment across the various operating systems it
runs on, and would much prefer it for the default Dired behavior to
conti
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks! Should not this be the default on w32?
I suppose it would make sense, yes.
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Juanma Barranquero wrote:
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In dired files are sorted case sensitive. This does not make sense on an
OS with case insensitive file system. Is there any way to get the
listing in dired sorted case insensitive?
If you're on Windows, di
On 7/7/05, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In dired files are sorted case sensitive. This does not make sense on an
> OS with case insensitive file system. Is there any way to get the
> listing in dired sorted case insensitive?
If you're on Windows, dired is using the Lisp emulation o
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