Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-19 Thread Richard M. Stallman
At the elisp- wielding-user-visible level this manifests in what you pass to and get back from x-list-fonts, as well as any font-setting functions, Could you explain what "font-setting functions" means? Could you name some "font-setting functions"? setting font as a frame p

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-18 Thread Adrian Robert
On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Richard M. Stallman wrote:      (I guess I was      trying to say, "drop XLFD, and if some functionality is lost, update      the lisp syntax to fix it".)We don't need to change Emacs for that.  You should be able, already,to do whatever you like in Emacs without using

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-12 Thread Richard M. Stallman
To do something to make the whole thing more usable, one can simply ensure that on each operating system the local standard font selection user interface is used. All systems offer some standard dialog to do that, and it would be a good idea if users can specify the list

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-11 Thread David Reitter
On 11 Oct 2005, at 15:44, Richard M. Stallman wrote: .default { font-family: courier; font-size: 13pt; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; } I don't think that is useful in an Emacs context. It is no easier to type, no more concise, than a list of face attributes

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-11 Thread Adrian Robert
On Oct 11, 2005, at 4:01 AM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:53:22 -0400, Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: In addition, I've been integrating the Cocoa port's font handling with xfaces.c, and can say it's onerous for developers. All of these structures and functi

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-11 Thread Richard M. Stallman
(I guess I was trying to say, "drop XLFD, and if some functionality is lost, update the lisp syntax to fix it".) We don't need to change Emacs for that. You should be able, already, to do whatever you like in Emacs without using XLFD syntax. What is there that cannot be done ex

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-11 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:53:22 -0400, Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > In addition, I've been integrating the Cocoa port's font handling > with xfaces.c, and can say it's onerous for developers. All of > these structures and functions concerned with creating, parsing, and > st

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I'm not against the introduction of a new font specification style, >> but I think it is mainly for developers and power-users. Emacs >> already has a mechanism that enables users to specify fonts in a >> simpler way at the face level. > You're right.. But the population of "power users" in t

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-10 Thread Adrian Robert
On Oct 9, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Richard M. Stallman wrote: You're right.. But the population of "power users" in this case for whatever reason seems fairly large (just subjective impression), and the requirement to learn XLFD (to compose a fontset, or whatever else) and partake

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-09 Thread Richard M. Stallman
You're right.. But the population of "power users" in this case for whatever reason seems fairly large (just subjective impression), and the requirement to learn XLFD (to compose a fontset, or whatever else) and partake of the pleasures of asterisk-counting seems onerous. Is

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-10-07 Thread Adrian Robert
On Sep 28, 2005, at 4:30 AM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: On 25 Sep 2005 10:20:31 -0400, Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Even in X11, while XLFD is needed at the lowest level to interact with the windowing system, is it really necessary to expose the user to it? In the old days whe

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-28 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On 25 Sep 2005 10:20:31 -0400, Adrian Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Even in X11, while XLFD is needed at the lowest level to interact > with the windowing system, is it really necessary to expose the user > to it? In the old days when emacs-X11 was first developed, X11 > users were use

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-25 Thread Jesper Harder
YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:42:41 +0200, Jesper Harder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> I think one thing that would be very helpful is to give intructions >> on how to set up fonts for comprehensive coverage of unicode (if >> it's even possible). > > So

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-25 Thread Adrian Robert
> > screen. I was also trying to maintain backwards compatibility of > old > XLFDs, which I'm starting to think was unwise. I've made two > attempts at > Regarding this, I think it would be good for people working on > Emacs.app, w32, and Xft to get together and try to figure out what to > do w

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-23 Thread Richard M. Stallman
I've updated man/macos.texi. Thank you. According to admin/FOR-RELEASE, it is subject to proofreading by at least two persons before release. It would be a good idea for two people to check your writing. I see that nobody is listed so far as having check

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-23 Thread Cheng Gao
> "YAMAMOTO" == YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: YAMAMOTO> Unfortunately, the URL YAMAMOTO> ftp://mac-emacs.sourceforge.net/pub/mac-emacs/GNU-fonts.smi.bin YAMAMOTO> mentioned in mac/INSTALL is not accessible as of today. Does anyone YAMAMOTO> know whether it i

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-22 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:42:41 +0200, Jesper Harder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > I think one thing that would be very helpful is to give intructions > on how to set up fonts for comprehensive coverage of unicode (if > it's even possible). Sorry, I'm not sure if it is possible or not. S

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-22 Thread Jesper Harder
YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've updated man/macos.texi. According to admin/FOR-RELEASE, it is > subject to proofreading by at least two persons before release. > Because this is my first time to edit Texinfo files, there may be some > "texi"cal and grammatical errors. Corre

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-22 Thread Stefan Monnier
> screen. I was also trying to maintain backwards compatibility of old > XLFDs, which I'm starting to think was unwise. I've made two attempts at Regarding this, I think it would be good for people working on Emacs.app, w32, and Xft to get together and try to figure out what to do with the fon

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-22 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:12:43 -0700, Steven Tamm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It would probably be easier to graft on the parts of the Aqua (sic) > port into the font/calculation/drawing portions than to convert from > QDText to ATSU. Unless someone has the time or the inclination to > implem

Re: macos.texi updated

2005-09-21 Thread Steven Tamm
To correctly use ATSUI, the way that fonts are cached and handled would have to change. The cost of creating an ATSUStyle structure is ridiculously high and a new caching system would have to be added to maintain performance. Furthermore, the calculations of line height and character widt

macos.texi updated

2005-09-21 Thread YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
I've updated man/macos.texi. According to admin/FOR-RELEASE, it is subject to proofreading by at least two persons before release. Because this is my first time to edit Texinfo files, there may be some "texi"cal and grammatical errors. Corrections of such errors are also appreciated. BTW, there