Re: Coding system robustness?

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Kenichi Handa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> I'd like to know whether coding systems in general are supposed to be >>> robust, meaning that decoding some random byte string into the coding >>> system and reencoding

Re: Key binding M-g should really be goto-line

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now that Richard has changed M-g to be a prefix key, can we > implement this plan? > > I would rather put this aside until after the release. Discussing the full population of this binding, I might agree here. However, part of this proposal w

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:56:02 +0100 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu. This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation for Emacs 21.1. The conclusion, IIRC, was that View is

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Drew Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:53:29 -0800 > > Please don't make such a change: the simple toggle-type options should > come first, and the submenus (like Mule) later. Not the other way > around. Likewise with Customize: it should come aft

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> From: "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:56:02 +0100 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> My gut also tells me it is unlikely that we will have a "View" top >> menu now. However an "Appearance" sub menu with the same conten

Re: Type Ahead Find

2005-03-19 Thread Juri Linkov
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> I-search: gnu [GNU Free Documentation License] > > I'm not particularly happy about this reuse of the [...] message. > It's meant to hold an error message. Reusing an error message variable is not a clean solution, indeed. Perhaps, it's better to ad

Re: RFC: a minor mode that uses GDB like CLI commands

2005-03-19 Thread Juri Linkov
Dan Nicolaescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome. It would be very good to make this mode to work like edebug (automatically making the source code buffer read-only, etc.) and to have similar keybindings: " " - step "n" - next "c" - cont "g" - go ... -- Jur

[Andreas Jochens] Bug#300368: emacs21: FTBFS (ppc64): Please add support for the ppc64 architecture

2005-03-19 Thread Jérôme Marant
Hi, I've just received this patch porting Emacs to the ppc64 architecture. I have no idea whether this is the right way to do it; maybe someone will be able to improve it. Cheers, --- Begin Message --- Package: emacs21 Severity: wishlist Tags: patch With the attached patch, 'emacs21' can be co

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
The following four patches enable `file-name-shadow-mode' by default, preload rfn-eshadow.el and make define-minor-mode accept an :initialize argument. (It currently kind of accepts such an argument, but the result is that the macroexpanded defcustom contains two :initialize keywords, a bug.) To

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Cc: "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:24:34 +0100 > > > When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the > > changed menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was > > gen

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
"Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Cc: "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >>emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:24:34 +0100 >> >> > When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the >> > changed menu-bar s

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Lennart Borgman
- Original Message - From: "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu. > > This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation > for Emacs 21.1. The conclusion, IIRC, was that View is generally > inappropriate in a text

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The following four patches enable `file-name-shadow-mode' by default, > preload rfn-eshadow.el and make define-minor-mode accept an > :initialize argument. (It currently kind of accepts such an argument, > but the result is that the macroexpanded defcus

Re: Antialiased text on X11

2005-03-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I have started on Xft support, but it is really something for the release > after the next, so I don't spend much time on it yet. I can confirm your > reasoning, the Emacs font-selection machinery is indeed the most tricky > part, I have not done that fully, so I can't change font yet. But part

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> :initialize keywords, a bug.) To make things work correctly, I had to > rearrange define-minor-mode to define the mode function before the > defcustom. I don't think this is a good idea. > Apparently, this gives no compiler warnings (I checked), even though the > function uses the mode variabl

Re: Antialiased text on X11

2005-03-19 Thread Han Boetes
> - if (s-> font == NULL) > + if (0 && s-> font == NULL) I suppose this is a mistake. # Han ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
"Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Most applications I use on w32 have a "View" top menu. >> >> This was considered when the menu bar was restructured in preparation >> for Emacs 21.1. The conclusion, II

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: "Lennart Borgman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:51:55 +0100 > > I think that "View" here mostly is a synonym for "Appearance". In for > example Firefox View menu the main items are: > > Toolbars, Status Bar, Sidebars; > Stop, Reload; > Text Size, Page

Re: Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Lennart Borgman
- Original Message - From: "Eli Zaretskii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > These are all either toggle-type options (we have most of them under > Options->Show/Hide) or text/font options (we have them under > Edit->Text Properties). To dedicate a whole top-level item to them > sounds unwise. Yes,

bug in file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
The following would appear to be a bug `file-name-shadow-mode'. Do emacs -Q. M-x customize-option RET file-name-shadow-mode RET C-x C-f Then set file-name-shadow-mode to t for the current session using the mouse. You are still in the minibuffer. Clearly, file-name-shadow-mode does not work in

Re: Type Ahead Find

2005-03-19 Thread Miles Bader
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:29:29 +0200, Juri Linkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is the text under point only in my first example. It would be > very useful to display hidden text like when Info-hide-note-references > hides the reference node names, so for example, when isearch reaches > the ref

RMAIL slows

2005-03-19 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Sunday's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Sun, 2005 Mar 13 GNU Emacs 22.0.50.22 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.6.2) vrs Friday's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Fri, 2005 Mar 18 GNU Emacs 22.0.50.26 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.6.2) both started with the same, long .emacs file Deletion in RMAIL sl

Re: Antialiased text on X11

2005-03-19 Thread Miles Bader
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:31:35 -0500, Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have started on Xft support, but it is really something for the release > > after the next, so I don't spend much time on it yet. I can confirm your > > reasoning, the Emacs font-selection machinery is indeed the m

Re: Type Ahead Find

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ideally it'd be some area not so noticeable, e.g., at the far-right > edge of the mini-buffer; but since that would require new redisplay > hacking, how about just something like: > >I-search (in node File Variables): local variables > > That's also mo

Re: RMAIL slows

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
"Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sunday's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Sun, 2005 Mar 13 > GNU Emacs 22.0.50.22 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.6.2) > > vrs > > Friday's GNU Emacs CVS snapshot, Fri, 2005 Mar 18 > GNU Emacs 22.0.50.26 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.6.2) > > b

Re: [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows]

2005-03-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> That doesn't work very well while the thing is entered, does it? First >>> you see "s[foo]{" while it's being entered, then you see the next line >>> " bar", and lastly "}x". Your patterns will never see the whole >>> construct at once. (They will however see the buffer end, or even >>> worse s

Re: [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows]

2005-03-19 Thread Martin Stjernholm
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That doesn't work very well while the thing is entered, does it? First >> you see "s[foo]{" while it's being entered, then you see the next line >> " bar", and lastly "}x". Your patterns will never see the whole >> construct at once. (They will however

The WHY of Xft [was: Re: Antialiased text on X11]

2005-03-19 Thread James Cloos
It should be pointed out that antialiasing and sub-pixel rendering are just two of the benefits of the client-side font system brought by Xft and friends. The other benefits are just as important. Control and installation of fonts are easier for most users, fonts with large encodings -- such as C

Re: Type Ahead Find

2005-03-19 Thread Miles Bader
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:09:13 +0100, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I-search (in node File Variables): local variables > > > > That's also more similar to other "informational messages" used by > > search, e.g., "overwrapped" or whatever. > > Please not. Tags like that make the se

Re: The WHY of Xft [was: Re: Antialiased text on X11]

2005-03-19 Thread Miles Bader
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:45:42 -0500, James Cloos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It should be pointed out that antialiasing and sub-pixel rendering are > just two of the benefits of the client-side font system brought by Xft > and friends. > > The other benefits are just as important. Control and ins

Re: Coding system robustness?

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > AFAIK, (encode-coding-string (decode-coding-string STR 'foo) 'foo) > should always return STR, otherwise it's a bug. As Handa has explained, that is definitely NOT true. ___ Emacs-devel mailin

Re: Putting auto-image-file-mode in Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
3. By default this mode should be enabled for non-ascii based image format files like .png, .jpg. This could be achieved by enabling auto-compression-mode by default and turning image-mode off by default for ascii based formats. I am completely lost here. What does auto-

Re: In the easter-egg department...

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
C-h w ignore RET I think this replacement definition fixes it. (defun where-is (definition &optional insert) "Print message listing key sequences that invoke the command DEFINITION. Argument is a command definition, usually a symbol with a function definition. If INSERT (the prefix arg) is

Re: Type Ahead Find

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
But it allows to narrow the search only to specific text part (such as e.g. in Firefox typing a ' before the search string searches only links) which is currently not easily implementable in Emacs. Making such a feature useful, and not intolerable, in the context of Emacs is not

Re: Non-ASCII in Lucid menus

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Well, my patch does not address the issue mentioned by Dave: it can only display multilingual chars that are part of the user's locale. Could it select the locale according to the characters to be displayed? ___ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-d

[juanleon1@gmail.com: Problem at backup-buffer for writable files in not writable dirs]

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
I think this change is correct--does anyone disagree? Would someone please install this on Monday (and thank him) if no objection has been found? --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:17:00 +0100 From: JUAN-LEON Lahoz Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: emacs-pretest-bug@

Re: shell can't stand still

2005-03-19 Thread Richard Stallman
When in the *shell* buffer a running command produces output it's quite impossible to scroll back using the page-up key. It seems as if the last output lines are being subtracted from the amount of lines to scroll up ... In GNU Emacs 22.0.50.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0, GTK

Re: Putting auto-image-file-mode in Options menu

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 3. By default this mode should be enabled for non-ascii based >image format files like .png, .jpg. This could be achieved >by enabling auto-compression-mode by default and turning >image-mode off by default for ascii based

Re: Non-ASCII in Lucid menus

2005-03-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Well, my patch does not address the issue mentioned by Dave: it can only > display multilingual chars that are part of the user's locale. > Could it select the locale according to the characters to be displayed? The locale info is embedded somewhere in the Xt widget info (I'm not sure wh

Re: shell can't stand still

2005-03-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 20.03.2005 um 01:21 schrieb Richard Stallman: When in the *shell* buffer a running command produces output it's quite impossible to scroll back using the page-up key. It seems as if the last output lines are being subtracted from the amount of lines to scroll up ... In GNU

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
Stefan Monnier wrote: > Apparently, this gives no compiler warnings (I checked), even though the > function uses the mode variable, which is, in the new version, not > yet defcustomed. I'd be surprised if it doesn't introduce spurious warnings at various places. I indeed did not l

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Luc Teirlinck
I am no longer sure that enabling `file-name-shadow-mode' by default is really a good idea. (_Not_ because it would be difficult: it could easily be done using `custom-reevaluate-setting' in startup.el, even without any changes to define-minor-mode.) The problem is a comment in rfn-eshadow.el:

Re: Non-ASCII in Lucid menus

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Well, my patch does not address the issue mentioned by Dave: it >> can only display multilingual chars that are part of the user's >> locale. >> Could it select the locale according to the characters to be displayed? > > The locale info is

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread Miles Bader
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:30:57 -0600 (CST), Luc Teirlinck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other words, rfn-eshadow.el assumes that the value of _every_ > environment variable is an absolute file name and it yields very > confusing results when other environment variables are used in file > names, say

Re: [juanleon1@gmail.com: Problem at backup-buffer for writable files in not writable dirs]

2005-03-19 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:22:14 -0500 > > I think this change is correct--does anyone disagree? > Would someone please install this on Monday (and thank him) > if no objection has been found? You already asked me to install this, and I already did (a

Re: file-name-shadow-mode

2005-03-19 Thread David Kastrup
Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:30:57 -0600 (CST), Luc Teirlinck > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In other words, rfn-eshadow.el assumes that the value of _every_ >> environment variable is an absolute file name and it yields very >> confusing results when other env

Double slashes in config.h

2005-03-19 Thread Lőrentey Károly
Hi, trying to investigate some problems with GTK + multi-tty, I wanted to compile Emacs with a debuggable GTK version. I was weary but not entirely shocked to find out that Emacs failed to pick up the location of my locally compiled GTK instance. Here is my pkg-config output for GTK: $ pkg-conf