> > 3. There is no requirement to install non-free software to use
> > ob-sql.el. The software is fully functional using a free RDMS like
> > postgres.
> Yes, but there is requirement to install in order to use ob-sql.el
> __with :engine set to non-free option__.
Do you mean, "to use
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> > I think it is a good idea to document the reasoning for these
> > decision.
Richard Stallman writes:
> > However, I gues the point remains, sql.el and ob-sql.el support a number
> > of non-free RDMS
>
> Can someone post a verified list of which of them are non-free?
> Someone posted a list of a few, which I cannot find now in my saved
> inboxes, but I think it
Richard Stallman writes:
> > Would it then make sense to note the reasons why we support one or
> > another non-free software in a separate file like etc/NON-FREE-SUPPORT?
>
> I think it is a good idea to document the reasoning for these
> decision. But I think it does not necessarily have
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> > This raises two questions.
> >
> > 1. For this purpose, what kind of
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> However, I gues the point remains, sql.el and ob-sql.el support a number
> of
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> > 1. For this purpose, what kind of thing is "the Oracle Database"?
> > a. A
Ihor Radchenko wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 26.01.2023 12:14:
Heinz Tuechler writes:
Also, what about Emacs supporting MS DOS and old versions of Windows? Do
they still qualify as popular software?
Microsoft would probably appreciate, if only the latest version were
supported by free
Heinz Tuechler writes:
>> Also, what about Emacs supporting MS DOS and old versions of Windows? Do
>> they still qualify as popular software?
>>
> Microsoft would probably appreciate, if only the latest version were
> supported by free software.
> best regards, Heinz
Are you implying that
Ihor Radchenko wrote/hat geschrieben on/am 26.01.2023 11:22:
Richard Stallman writes:
Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> It is hard to define "well known". For me, oracle and mssql databases
> are well-known (just by company name), while saphana and vertica are
> not.
I have never heard of
Richard Stallman writes:
> Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>
> > It is hard to define "well known". For me, oracle and mssql databases
> > are well-known (just by company name), while saphana and vertica are
> > not.
>
> I have never heard of saphana or vertica, which suggests that maybe
> this is
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> > The 'support' is essentially specialised
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> I am not sure about SaaSS - even postgresql (free software) may be used
> as a
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> The 'support' is essentially specialised comint based interfaces tweaked
> to
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> Tim Cross writes:
>
>> 3. There is no requirement to install non-free software to use
>> ob-sql.el. The software is fully functional using a free RDMS like
>> postgres.
>
> Yes, but there is requirement to install in order to use ob-sql.el
> __with :engine set to
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> > > Would someone please tell me
Tim Cross writes:
> 3. There is no requirement to install non-free software to use
> ob-sql.el. The software is fully functional using a free RDMS like
> postgres.
Yes, but there is requirement to install in order to use ob-sql.el
__with :engine set to non-free option__.
So, I can envision
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> Tim Cross writes:
>
>> to be very clear, ob-sql is not adding any NEW interface to any external
>> program. It is just using the Emacs built-in SQL library (Elisp), which
>> has been part of Emacs for a long time (I was using it in late 90s to
>> work with Oracle RDMS).
Tim Cross writes:
> to be very clear, ob-sql is not adding any NEW interface to any external
> program. It is just using the Emacs built-in SQL library (Elisp), which
> has been part of Emacs for a long time (I was using it in late 90s to
> work with Oracle RDMS). It is this library that
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> > > Would someone please tell me more
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> > Would someone please tell me more concretely what kind of "support"
> > this
I just wanted to provide some additional information which RMS may find
informative.
Under the hood, ob-sql.el is using the built-in Emacs sql.el library. It
is this library which provides the 'support' for various SQL database
engines. That support has been part of the sql library since it was
Richard Stallman writes:
> > > Because we already support Orcale, SAP Hana, MSSql and Vertico for
> example.
>
> Would someone please tell me more concretely what kind of "support"
> this is? Which GNU package supports them, and how?
[Jean Luis mentioned M-x sql-* commands in another
* Richard Stallman [2023-01-23 07:25]:
> > > Because we already support Orcale, SAP Hana, MSSql and Vertico for
> example.
>
> Would someone please tell me more concretely what kind of "support"
> this is?
You can find interactive support in `sql' library, functions such as:
M-x sql-oracle
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example.
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> Daniel Kraus writes:
>
>> Tim Cross writes:
>>
>>> I think you run a high risk of running into GNU policy issues wrt
>>> licensing and free software support given this is a cleint for an AWS
>>> only database.
>>
>> Is it because it's cloud only or because it's
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