nd Org format is now capable of doing this, I
will consider that good news.
> Another question is that having native Org mode constructs for
> manual-specific markup would make things less verbose and ad-hoc.
To handle GNU manuals using Org format would not require a feature
like that.
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rg never evaluates any code automatically
> without user explicitly asking for it.
I understand now. I agree, that is not an issue for this specific point.
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aid that there are
> security issues and that they are known.
Could you plesae post a pointer to a desciption of them?
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ived or fetched Org
> files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story.
I was not aware of this issue. Let's look at it concretely now so we
can determine what its implications are. Have people already written
a list of these precautions? If so, I'd like to see i
want to send files in Org format
and why would it be useful to formally label them?
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s related to Org mode? Why call it "org-protocol" rather
tham some other name?
> 17.16.3 The open-source protocol
> ... The open-source handler is designed to help with editing local
> sources when reading a document..
What document does that come from?
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file (.emacs probably):
;;
;; (require 'org-protocol)
;;
;; 3.) Ensure emacs-server is up and running.
...
describes in a low-level way _how_ to use it,
but in order to think about it, the first thing I need to know
is _what it can do_.
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old Unix command `man', which is
short for "manual". Its purpose is to read pages of the manual.
Mx- woman was a joke based on that name.
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_.
Do you mean, "to use ob-sql.el with nonfree program Foo, there is a
requirement to install Foo"? I think so.
That's true, but it's not a problem. That's not what we mean when we
say "a requirement to install nonfree software."
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now how much work it would be, but I think
it would be a desirable change if it is easy.
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lack of) behind each individual
> non-free software support decision.
That is a valid point.
Sorry for the delay.
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l find the file in your Orant\\bin directory."
because it isn't clear. It is sketchy. An expert on running that
database on Windows might understand it, but someone who only knows
about Emacs can't even try.
How does sql.el communicate with sqlplus on Windows?
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e from those?
> and I think this is fine given that
That is something we should double-check in accord with the stated
policy. But first we need to know which ones to check.
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think about a
program name than about its various version numbers.
If a program was once well known, but its use is dwindling, it's not
something we have to worry about informing people about. More people
will have heard of it in the past, than will want to switch to it now.
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thical problem in
using sql.el to run the Oracle data base software.
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ven so as to do something foolish with it. When a user
does this, it's per responsibility, not ours.
We should not distribute specific support or recommendations to use
the Lisp package in that particular way.
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abases
> are well-known (just by company name), while saphana and vertica are
> not.
I have never heard of saphana or vertica, which suggests that maybe
this is an issue. However, I don't know the database field, so I
am the wrong one to judge.
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y are proprietary programs that may be also SaaSS.
Does the Emacs support offer to talk with a remote web server?
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t
to think about it.
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ted printed manual.
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tructures into Org export backends.
I'm glad you are working on this.
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s. Does this mean
that people are implementing those distinctions in Org mode? Or does
it mean someone has proposed to implement them in Org mode but not yet
started actually writing it?
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datory through court precedent.
The crucial questions would be: required _of whom_, in what circumstances?
> > I wonder if users could run the free version of that JS code
> > while talking with Stripe.
> You could try replacing it in your browser.
Yes, that's what I'm thinkin
is expected to comply with "PCI" or why).
Also, what is a "ES module" and what are the implications of that?
I wonder if users could run the free version of that JS code
while talking with Stripe.
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ut running proprietary Javascript (I just
> checked that by opening it in eww), and you can interact with it using
> email.
See https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html for what's
wrong with Github. Some actions, such as creating an account, appear
to require running nonf
ibreJS to recognize?
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banking systems are
not set up to interact with it today.
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ng businesses and nonfree software. The GNU Project
makes these distinctions and treats them differently.
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tware at all), and I can do it from home.
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try.
What purpose is served by refusing to understand?
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ree software. But that is not likely to occur this year,
and for it to occur in this decade is a long shot.
So please don't put links to liberapay into GNU package web pages.
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> So they should rather link to liberapay, so it is not a direct offer?
You can't make a serious point by twisting words.
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free payment software)?
Yes, sad to say they should not directly offer donation methods.
The FSF manages to accept credit card donations without making donors
run nonfree software. But it is not easy to arrange that.
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7b6bda4505c4b5fa15
This is disappointing but not surprising,
GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services
that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
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ing JS?
If the answers are yes and yes, maybe that system is ethical and good.
Otherwise, it is not a solution, only a different variation of the problem.
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In
scious to forbid loading from Cloudflare and use a local copy
> of MathJax embedded in LibreJS instead:
I agree. Perhaps GNU/Linux distros should start packaging MathJax
for local installation, so that the local copy will be used instead.
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ibreJS
> implementation, not the problem of software freedom.
Perhaps it should do that.
I think we could use more help to maintain LibreJS.
Anyone who would like to help, please write to maintain...@gnu.org.
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arrangement with a credit card processor. But it is not easy
to get a credit card processor to accept you as a client that way.
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for various purposes, some
which are not about software at all. So I wouldn't insist on (2)
when deciding whether to buy something or donate to a cause.
But I would always insist on (1).
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lid by the
courts, could potentially be used to support patent claims upon the Linux
Kernel. I wonder how many more for Free Software in general!
I used to estimate around 100,000 patents for a 2000-era GNU/Linux distro,
based solely on the size of code base.
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all and hit you. There is a small
chance of that, but worrying about it is useless.
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to.
Please do not move any of the code to MELPA, because we will not refer
to it there.
I am not on the emacs-orgmode list. Russell, if you get this directly
but it does not come through the list, would you please forward it
there?
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to MELPA, because we will not refer
to it there.
I am not on the emacs-orgmode list. Russell, if you get this directly
but it does not come through the list, would you please forward it
there?
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question.
MAYBE something else in the package will say. Or maybe not.
The proper way to use the GPL is to put a license notice in each
source file, which would give the answer to this question. However,
Github has taught people not to bother with this.
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system by telling users to install things directly.
Would you please show me the other cases where Org suggests
loading something else?
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leOrg is almost ok.
If someone wants to do a little work on Android MobileOrg, so it could
go into f-droid, we could recommend its use. But the doc should be
updated.
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ourage interested users to install outside, free, software.
Could you tell me about these, one by one, off the list?
(First, roughly how many are there?)
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istings~ for details.
Please verify that that is free software. (I expect that it is.)
If it is free, then since it is not something that naturally ought
to be part of Emacs, suggesting people get it elsewhere is ok.
It would be good to refer to a mirror, not github.
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he change that has been made is good enough temporarily.
if people are going to implement replacement code soon,
we can leave it this way in the mean time.
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that version_ of Android MobileOrg.
Until then, Emacs (including Org-mode) should not say or do anything
that would be likely to lead users to use the existing MobileOrg.
We should remove that text soon, and put in new text about the new
version when that new version is available.
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writing new code.
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p code that is not part of Emacs.
We need to highlight that distinction, not blur it.
Please leave the code to suggest loading htmlize deactivated.
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. Right?
I wouldn't assume all those mentions are similar cases.
This is a matter of details, and I have not seen them,
so I don't know whether they are real problems or not.
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g without Dropbox?
Is the WebDAV server code free software? Can you talk to such a
server without any nonfree client software?
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t very hard to fix htmlfontify to solve all its
practical drawbacks.
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which are
> > not free either.
That may or may not be a problem, depending on what it says. Can you
show me what it actually says about those nonfree systems?
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ggests
loading something else?
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uot;. It's a different level of referencing.
You've put your finger on the crucial point.
Just talking about something that is in GitHub is ok.
The problem is suggest users get it and run it.
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ern is _about_ the reference to GitHub, but what _makes it a problem_
is that it is suggesting that people load specific code from there.
THAT is the issue here.
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ppears we can't do (1), we should do (2). Someone mentioned
that there was code in Emacs that we could use instead.
It isn't a rush, now, but could someone please volunteer to do this,
over the next few months?
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d[0].
Thanks for asking him.
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> just that someone has to work on converting ox-html to use htmlfontify
> instead of htmlize.
To motivate people to do this, I say we shouild not ship another
release with that reference to GitHub. Eli, do you agree?
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). So this needs to be deleted.
If htmlize is useful, we should put it into Emacs.
Is there some obstacle to that?
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An Emacs user conference sounds useful if users are interested in it.
But keep in mind that running a physical conference is a lot of work.
If you have not done it before, you might think it is easy,
and then be very surprised.
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Please point me to the part of OrgMode with features for
navigating and searching the filesystem in a tree structure. I'm
interested in checking i= t out and comparing it to xiki.
The question that suggests itself to me
is whether there is a way to separate out the various ideas,
in my todo.org (as suggested on John Wiegley's howto) results in several
annoying ?Bad sexp at line ?? because org-calendar-holiday calls the
obsolete check-calendar-holidays.
Isn't it easy to fix this in org mode?
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