[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On 5/20/2010 6:52 PM, Thomas Renkert wrote: What about using launchpad.net for bugtracking? Bugreports and code reviews can be done via email so they could be cc:ed to the traditional mailing list while they would show up at the same time in the web interface. Also, launchpad encourages more non-programming users to send in and react on bugs and patches via the "answers"-interface. By this, maybe at least some of the maintenance tasks can be distributed more evenly among people who would occasionaly check out a few lines of code but who don't feel familiar enough with lisp an a large scale. Plus 1 for Launchpad. We use it for maintaining VM and the collection of facilities on the site work quite well. The main downside is its over-reliance on the web. The other is that it uses Bazaar for version control, which is probably not as streamlined as Git. But Launchpad is an integrated project management site that allows you to schedule milestores/releases, allocate bugs/issues to them, and makes sure that everything gets done. It provides for a variety of roles such as bug supervisor, driver, release manager etc., and allow for bugs/issues to be allocated to various members of the team. For a large team of contributors, which is what Org mode seems to be tending towards, it could be a big win. You can check out the VM home page, https://launchpad.net/vm, to see how it works. Cheers, Uday ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
wow. I had no idea John. Thanks for letting me know!! On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > On May 20, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Greg Newman wrote: > > I have a mirror of Org up on Bitbucket at > http://bitbucket.org/mirror/org-mode > It wouldn't take much to have Jesper turn on the issues feature for it if > there is interest. (just sayin) > > > I have a Git mirror on http://github.com/jwiegley/org-mode (have had for > some time), and it's issue tracking feature is already on. > > John > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 20, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Greg Newman wrote: > I have a mirror of Org up on Bitbucket at http://bitbucket.org/mirror/org-mode > It wouldn't take much to have Jesper turn on the issues feature for it if > there is interest. (just sayin) I have a Git mirror on http://github.com/jwiegley/org-mode (have had for some time), and it's issue tracking feature is already on. John___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
I have a mirror of Org up on Bitbucket at http://bitbucket.org/mirror/org-mode It wouldn't take much to have Jesper turn on the issues feature for it if there is interest. (just sayin) On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:34 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > On May 20, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Thomas Renkert wrote: > > > What about using launchpad.net for bugtracking? > > GitHub also has simple issue tracking, with the advantage that it can bind > very closely with Git commits. > > John > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 20, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Thomas Renkert wrote: > What about using launchpad.net for bugtracking? GitHub also has simple issue tracking, with the advantage that it can bind very closely with Git commits. John ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
What about using launchpad.net for bugtracking? Bugreports and code reviews can be done via email so they could be cc:ed to the traditional mailing list while they would show up at the same time in the web interface. Also, launchpad encourages more non-programming users to send in and react on bugs and patches via the "answers"-interface. By this, maybe at least some of the maintenance tasks can be distributed more evenly among people who would occasionaly check out a few lines of code but who don't feel familiar enough with lisp an a large scale. Just a thought... Cheers, Thomas Renkert ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Carsten Dominik writes: > I think this i an excellent idea, and keeping this file on Worg so > that people can access it on the web and modify it when needed is a > good idea. > > If everyone agrees, then I am glad to accept your offer to start a > system like this. > > Matt, I guess this covers pretty much exactly what you were proposing? Yes, I very much like the idea. David: I look forward to seeing what you develop! Best, Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: > I am having a lot of trouble keeping up with everything here in emacs- > orgmode, in combination with the rest of my life. > > Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co-maintainer, at > least for some time? > > The tasks would include looking at small patches people submit, making > decision about whether to apply them, checking copyright issues, and > applying the patches. I will be around, so important decisions can be > deferred to me. I'm happy to help out as much as my emacs-lisp and git skills allow. Though others here are far more qualified to serve as an official co-maintainer, I could try to pick up some of the slack by working on any bug fixes, issues, patches, etc. you or the co-maintainer might be willing to delegate. Speaking of which, I've been meaning to sign papers with the FSF. I'll do that ASAP. I, too, vote for some sort of issue tracking system. Perhaps this could be as simple as some of around us here replying to issues on the list with an "I'll take a look at this" or "I'll take responsibility for this." We've all been spoiled by your wonderfully quick and attentive responses to mailing list posts. Perhaps, however, it's time for the community to take more responsibility for claiming issues, bug fixes, etc. within the first 24 to 48 hours of their arrival on the list. If an issue proves too difficult to solve then the responsible party can defer to your or the co-maintainer's expertise. Since this is org-mode, I would prefer to use an org-mode file to track issues. After all, the Wikipedia article on org-mode highlights its suitability for "Distributed issue tracking."[1] The challenge, of course, would be to coordinate this file with the mailing list. Perhaps we could publish a remember template so that contributors, when claiming an issue, can easily create a new todo (with a unique id) in the org-issues file and publish the id in their reply: e.g., "opened and claimed issue [ID number]." Just an idea... Best, Matt Footnotes: [1] Org-mode can be used as a distributed issue tracker, by storing .org files in a distributed revision control system. Developers of the org-babel extension to org-mode use org-mode in this way to track bugs and feature requests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Carsten Dominik wrote: > > That might be interesting. I just got a mail from John, he will set > up patchwork for us, which seems to be an automated issue-tracking > system based on patches on a mailing list. This looks good to me > because it keeps thinks on the mailing list which has worked for us so > far. Lets start with that, and think about moving to github for a bit > longer. > AFAIK, patchwork (http://ozlabs.org/~jk/projects/patchwork/) snags *patches* off the mailing list and squirrels them away so they are not lost, but it is not an issue-tracking system. Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Carsten Dominik writes: > I am having a lot of trouble keeping up with everything here in emacs- > orgmode, in combination with the rest of my life. > > Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co-maintainer, at > least for some time? > > The tasks would include looking at small patches people submit, making > decision about whether to apply them, checking copyright issues, and > applying the patches. I will be around, so important decisions can be > deferred to me. Hi Carsten, I would love to help! I can probably handle some of the patch application load if that's useful. Let me know what you have in mind. Unfortunately I also don't have much extra time available currently and there are days when I don't get to read the org-mode mailing list at all :(. I still consider myself a lisp newbie and I don't have a clue about Emacs portability issues etc. I am slowly picking up lisp though and reviewing patches would probably speed that process up a lot for me. You've put in a super-human effort so far in this project and we all appreciate it very much! Let me know how I can help. Regards, Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On 10-May-19, at 5:23 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On May 19, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Anthony Lander wrote: On 10-May-19, at 2:08 PM, Karsten Heymann wrote: Hi, Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am sure this would be good. One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use it's integrates issues functionality. +1 That would make it possible for people like me to cherry-pick issues to work on, and leave Carsten & other people to approve and commit patches rather than make them. Why is that easier on GitHub than on any web-based git hosting system (it may well be - only I don't know!) I don't know that it matters. I am just familiar with github. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 19, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Anthony Lander wrote: On 10-May-19, at 2:08 PM, Karsten Heymann wrote: Hi, Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am sure this would be good. One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use it's integrates issues functionality. +1 That would make it possible for people like me to cherry-pick issues to work on, and leave Carsten & other people to approve and commit patches rather than make them. Why is that easier on GitHub than on any web-based git hosting system (it may well be - only I don't know!) - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 19, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Karsten Heymann wrote: Hi, Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am sure this would be good. One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use it's integrates issues functionality. From their site: Issues GitHub Issues adds lightweight issue tracking tightly integrated with your repository. Close issues from commit messages, let users label and vote on issues and drag & drop issues to priorize. That might be interesting. I just got a mail from John, he will set up patchwork for us, which seems to be an automated issue-tracking system based on patches on a mailing list. This looks good to me because it keeps thinks on the mailing list which has worked for us so far. Lets start with that, and think about moving to github for a bit longer. - Carsten See it in action at http://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki-plugin-data/issues Maybe it's worth a look. Yours Karsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On 10-May-19, at 2:08 PM, Karsten Heymann wrote: Hi, Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am sure this would be good. One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use it's integrates issues functionality. +1 That would make it possible for people like me to cherry-pick issues to work on, and leave Carsten & other people to approve and commit patches rather than make them. -anthony ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
MobileOrg and MobileOrg Android both use Github, and we both use the issue tracker. Another boon to using Github for the project would be benefitting from individual contributors maintaining "fork"s of the main repository... then a maintainer could merge in fixes and features that others have worked on with ease. I have had several folks contribute to MobileOrg for Android in just this manner and as the maintainer it has made my life very easy. 73, Matthew W. Jones (KI4ZIB) http://matburt.net On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Karsten Heymann wrote: > Hi, > > Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > > I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are > > other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am > > sure this would be good. > > One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use > it's integrates issues functionality. From their site: > > Issues > > GitHub Issues adds lightweight issue tracking tightly integrated with > your repository. Close issues from commit messages, let users label > and vote on issues and drag & drop issues to priorize. > > See it in action at > http://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki-plugin-data/issues > > Maybe it's worth a look. > > Yours > Karsten > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Hi, Am 19.05.2010 17:46, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are > other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am > sure this would be good. One solution would be to switch the git repository to github.com and use it's integrates issues functionality. From their site: Issues GitHub Issues adds lightweight issue tracking tightly integrated with your repository. Close issues from commit messages, let users label and vote on issues and drag & drop issues to priorize. See it in action at http://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki-plugin-data/issues Maybe it's worth a look. Yours Karsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 19, 2010, at 4:28 PM, Eric Schulte wrote: Hi Carsten, Dan Davison writes: Bastien writes: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co- maintainer, at least for some time? I'm sorry to say that I don't have enough time to step up in any real sustained way. I do believe that with org-babel, you and Dan *certainly* do your share. I've been continually amazed and grateful for the amount of time you have been able to give to our community. In fact, it is more than can really afford - but I am a junkie who needs to deal with his problems ... I'd be glad to help, but I'm short of time for the moment and I prefer to concentrate on maintaining the server and Worg. I'm afraid I can't devote significantly more time. (In any case, I do not know the agenda and task/time management side of org well enough.) Likewise, my org expertise is fairly one or two sided, leaving out large swaths of functionality -- e.g. I have no idea how GTD works. But I would be happy to help out in a, err, coalition. Would it be possible for us to develop a slightly more formalised triage/bug tracking system whereby any list member who feels able to can say "I'll look into this and report back with a recommendation for action". If this is possible (I know we've talked about an org-mode based bug tracker before with lukewarm results) then I should be able to help tackle the stray bug such a model. On org-babel we've had some success tracking pending development, and tracking bugs in a single monolithic org-mode file in a github repository [1]. Best -- Eric Perhaps this would work via a jointly maintained todo list on Worg or elsewhere? Any thoughts? Or is this optimistic and do we really need one person to step up? Dan You made Org a project people would be proud to co-maintain, I'm sure someone good will step in! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Footnotes: [1] http://github.com/eschulte/babel-dev - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
On May 19, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Dan Davison wrote: Bastien writes: Hi Carsten, Carsten Dominik writes: Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co- maintainer, at least for some time? I'd be glad to help, but I'm short of time for the moment and I prefer to concentrate on maintaining the server and Worg. I'm afraid I can't devote significantly more time. (In any case, I do not know the agenda and task/time management side of org well enough.) But I would be happy to help out in a, err, coalition. Would it be possible for us to develop a slightly more formalised triage/bug tracking system whereby any list member who feels able to can say "I'll look into this and report back with a recommendation for action". Perhaps this would work via a jointly maintained todo list on Worg or elsewhere? Any thoughts? Or is this optimistic and do we really need one person to step up? I think an issue-tracking system would be great. And if there are other people besides John who want to take up individual issues, I am sure this would be good. I will be happy with anything you propose in this direction. Also I know that John is (I think) tracking ledger issues in org-mode - maybe we can use his setup in a file that is part of the git repo? If we have reports continue to come in on the mailing list, then a bug tracker could use the message number on gmane as a reference number. So the discussions could stay on the list, but negotiation and assignment would happen in the tracker. But - I have no experience with bug trackers, so anything anyone will put forward would be an improvement. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Hi Carsten, Dan Davison writes: > Bastien writes: > >> Hi Carsten, >> >> Carsten Dominik writes: >> >>> Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co-maintainer, at >>> least for some time? I'm sorry to say that I don't have enough time to step up in any real sustained way. I've been continually amazed and grateful for the amount of time you have been able to give to our community. >> >> I'd be glad to help, but I'm short of time for the moment and I >>prefer to concentrate on maintaining the server and Worg. > > I'm afraid I can't devote significantly more time. (In any case, I do > not know the agenda and task/time management side of org well enough.) > Likewise, my org expertise is fairly one or two sided, leaving out large swaths of functionality -- e.g. I have no idea how GTD works. > > But I would be happy to help out in a, err, coalition. Would it be > possible for us to develop a slightly more formalised triage/bug > tracking system whereby any list member who feels able to can say "I'll > look into this and report back with a recommendation for > action". If this is possible (I know we've talked about an org-mode based bug tracker before with lukewarm results) then I should be able to help tackle the stray bug such a model. On org-babel we've had some success tracking pending development, and tracking bugs in a single monolithic org-mode file in a github repository [1]. Best -- Eric > Perhaps this would work via a jointly maintained todo list on Worg or > elsewhere? Any thoughts? Or is this optimistic and do we really need > one person to step up? > > Dan > > >> >> You made Org a project people would be proud to co-maintain, I'm sure >> someone good will step in! > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode Footnotes: [1] http://github.com/eschulte/babel-dev ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Co-maintainer, a least for some time?
Bastien writes: > Hi Carsten, > > Carsten Dominik writes: > >> Is there anyone who would be willing to step up as a co-maintainer, at >> least for some time? > > I'd be glad to help, but I'm short of time for the moment and I prefer > to concentrate on maintaining the server and Worg. I'm afraid I can't devote significantly more time. (In any case, I do not know the agenda and task/time management side of org well enough.) But I would be happy to help out in a, err, coalition. Would it be possible for us to develop a slightly more formalised triage/bug tracking system whereby any list member who feels able to can say "I'll look into this and report back with a recommendation for action". Perhaps this would work via a jointly maintained todo list on Worg or elsewhere? Any thoughts? Or is this optimistic and do we really need one person to step up? Dan > > You made Org a project people would be proud to co-maintain, I'm sure > someone good will step in! ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
