Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Christoph LANGE]

Hi Achim,

about ORG_ADD_CONTRIB and other faults that you pointed out in my
ebuild: I'm sorry but I didn't manage to test this before going on
holiday.  Meanwhile I see there has been progress; see Ulrich Müller's
comment at  and my
reply.  I just wanted to let everyone know, but I am currently unable to
work on this.

Cheers,

Christoph

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Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Achim Gratz]

Christoph LANGE writes:
> thanks for your improvement suggestions!  Before I put this into
> practice, let me ask some questions.  I am neither an expert in
> distributing Org nor in writing ebuilds yet.
>
> 2013-04-22 18:21 Achim Gratz:
>>> ELISP_REMOVE="lisp/org-install.el"
>>
>> You'll also want to remove org-loaddefs.el and org-version.el.
>
> Why?  Because they will automatically be re-generated during "make
> install", or because they are not necessary unless installing from git?

Yes, because they are auto-generated.  In fact you might want to clear
the whole installation tree to remove files from earlier versions of Org
that have been renamed.

>>> elisp-install ${PN}/contrib contrib/lisp/*org*.el || die
>>
>> This is wrong if you use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB.  These files are already taken
>> care of by "make install"
>
> OK, which means that I can remove that "elisp-install" line?

I'd think so, but I don't know the exact details of how ebuild works.

>> and contrib should not be added to the load-path
>
> Why not?  Note that this is conditional on the use flag "contrib".  So
> in this case the user has explicitly decided "I want the contributed
> features".

Then your ebuild file is likely defective, since your definition of
ORG_ADD_CONTRIB doesn't seem to be conditional.

>> (it also shouldn't exist as a subdirectory under ${PN}).
>
> Where should it go instead, if anywhere?

Nowhere, the installation includes all the files that you added with
ORG_ADD_CONTRIB right where Org gets installed.  Adding them again
(uncompiled) in a different place is asking for trouble.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Christoph LANGE]

Hi Achim,

thanks for your improvement suggestions!  Before I put this into
practice, let me ask some questions.  I am neither an expert in
distributing Org nor in writing ebuilds yet.

2013-04-22 18:21 Achim Gratz:
>> ELISP_REMOVE="lisp/org-install.el"
>
> You'll also want to remove org-loaddefs.el and org-version.el.

Why?  Because they will automatically be re-generated during "make
install", or because they are not necessary unless installing from git?

>>  elisp-install ${PN}/contrib contrib/lisp/*org*.el || die
>
> This is wrong if you use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB.  These files are already taken
> care of by "make install"

OK, which means that I can remove that "elisp-install" line?

> and contrib should not be added to the load-path

Why not?  Note that this is conditional on the use flag "contrib".  So
in this case the user has explicitly decided "I want the contributed
features".

> (it also shouldn't exist as a subdirectory under ${PN}).

Where should it go instead, if anywhere?

Cheers, and thanks in advance,

Christoph

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Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Christoph LANGE]

2013-04-22 18:04 John Hendy:
> While Org isn't anywhere close to as messy as a LaTeX installation,
> maintaining it properly if one is planning to spread the files around
> should not be overlooked. While AUR also has an Org-mode package, I'd
> *much* rather just stick to a directory at ~/.elisp/org.git where I
> pull, make clean, make, and then simply add those dirs a the top of
> the load-path.

I think it's good to give users a choice.  According to my experience,
the problem with the Gentoo org-mode package has never been that it was
poorly configured, but that it was irregularly updated.  IMHO Org is
pretty much feature-complete and has a wide user base, so many users
would not want to concern themselves with "make" in a cloned git
directory to get the latest (but possibly unstable!) set of features.

I myself have installed Org from git until I learned how to write Gentoo
ebuilds.  With another Emacs package (evil), I also recently switched
from git to ebuilds (maintained by someone else), because I found the
package to be sufficiently feature-complete with version 1.0.

Cheers,

Christoph

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Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Achim Gratz]

Christoph LANGE writes:
> Gentoo users may find my ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1 useful.

>ELISP_REMOVE="lisp/org-install.el"

You'll also want to remove org-loaddefs.el and org-version.el.

>   elisp-install ${PN}/contrib contrib/lisp/*org*.el || die

This is wrong if you use ORG_ADD_CONTRIB.  These files are already taken
care of by "make install" and contrib should not be added to the
load-path (it also shouldn't exist as a subdirectory under ${PN}).


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[John Hendy]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jay Kerns  wrote:
> Christoph,
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Christoph LANGE  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Gentoo users may find my ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1 useful.
>> Please download it from
>> https://466720.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=346230 and let's hope
>> this ebuild (or alternatively Emacs 24.4) will be included with Portage
>> soon (subscribe to https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466720 to
>> track the progress).
>>
>> Thanks to Bastien et al. for version 8!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Christoph
>>
>
> Thank you for this work!  It's very helpful.  May it have a speedy
> Portage review.

As an Arch Linux user who absolutely loves the AUR and have an
appreciation for the massive number of packages available for both
Arch and Gentoo, I caution this sort of thing if not properly
maintained. As a parallel anecdote, I switched from the AUR build of
TexLive for the fact that enough locations and stale files get left
around that upgrading was giving errors and path variables weren't
pointing in the right location. Manually maintaining TexLive has
proved unbelievably easier, primarily due to being able to specify
everything in a local directory in ~/ vs. spread throughout /usr/lib,
/etc, /var, etc.

While Org isn't anywhere close to as messy as a LaTeX installation,
maintaining it properly if one is planning to spread the files around
should not be overlooked. While AUR also has an Org-mode package, I'd
*much* rather just stick to a directory at ~/.elisp/org.git where I
pull, make clean, make, and then simply add those dirs a the top of
the load-path.

Just food for thought. Again, Org might not be difficult to maintain
at all, but I've been burned in the past by some of these. Just
couldn't help making a response!



Best regards,
John

>
> Best wishes,
>
> --
> Jay
>

Re: [O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Jay Kerns]

Christoph,

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Christoph LANGE  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Gentoo users may find my ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1 useful.
> Please download it from
> https://466720.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=346230 and let's hope
> this ebuild (or alternatively Emacs 24.4) will be included with Portage
> soon (subscribe to https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466720 to
> track the progress).
>
> Thanks to Bastien et al. for version 8!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christoph
>

Thank you for this work!  It's very helpful.  May it have a speedy
Portage review.

Best wishes,

-- 
Jay

[O] Gentoo ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1

[Christoph LANGE]

Hi all,

Gentoo users may find my ebuild for app-emacs/org-mode-8.0.1 useful.
Please download it from
https://466720.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=346230 and let's hope
this ebuild (or alternatively Emacs 24.4) will be included with Portage
soon (subscribe to https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466720 to
track the progress).

Thanks to Bastien et al. for version 8!

Cheers,

Christoph

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