Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-13 Thread Olivier Schwander
Le 06 Oct 2010 21:39, Matthew Leifer a écrit:
 That is odd.  texi2dvi should default to using regular latex.  You usually
 have to pass a -p option or use the alias texi2pdf in order to use pdflatex.
  It might be that you have a LATEX environment variable set.  In any case,
 you can alter this behaviour by setting the LATEX environment variable, e.g.
 setting the variable LATEX=xelatex will make texi2dvi use xelatex instead of
 regular latex.

Instead of texi2pdf, I'm used to work with rubber, which is a powerful
tool to automate the compilation of latex files (taking care of bibtex,
xfig figures, and a lot more). It works seamlessly with org-mode by
customizing the variable org-latex-to-pdf-process to rubber -d --into
%o %f.

Cheers,

Olivier

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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-06 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik wrote:
 I have just pushed a fix which will use texi2dvi when available. The echo
 area will now also give an indication of the kinds of errors that happened
 during the final pdflatex run.

Thanks to Matthew for the info about texi2dvi!


 This is a big improvement, thanks to Sebastian for kicking off this
 discussion, and to all who contributed.

You're welcome. It was needed for me as well...


 Please test the new processing and let me know if there are problems.

Tested on the document for which I experienced the troubles in the first place
(because my TOC was more than one page long). Works perfect!

Only one comment, after reading your code in org-latex.el: if there is no
texi2dvi executable, please run pdflatex 3 times, as this is the right number
to get the TOC in sync' with the document, when it's more than one page long
(at least, in my above case, with a couple of org-babel sql source blocks).

--8---cut here---start-8---
Changes in HEAD
Modified lisp/org-latex.el
diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
index c87071c..74d27b5 100644
--- a/lisp/org-latex.el
+++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
@@ -459,6 +459,7 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses both.
   (if (executable-find texi2dvi)
   '(texi2dvi -p -b -c -V %f)
 '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
+  pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
   pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f))
   Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell

--8---cut here---end---8---

Thanks.

Best regards,
  Seb

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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Tavernier
Just tried the texi2dvi command that is nice, one problem though, it
only makes use of pdflatex.

In certain situations, I like to use latex+ps2pdf (some journals ask for
.eps image file) or xelatex when mixing several fonts and writing in
UTF-8 is mandatory, for example French + Japanese, Chinese, Hindi, etc.

Currently I used the function below that I hook to the org-export-latex
process.

AFAIK, providing one use few packages, a .tex file to be used with
pdflatex can be similar to one to be used with xelatex. The content of
the document (UTF-8 characters) will make the difference.

To circumvent this problem, considering pdflatex as the default option,
I add to the org file a:
#+LATEX_CMD: xelatex or #+LATEX_CMD: latex

Note: bibtex and glossaries compilation are detected by their call,
e.g. \bibliography

How about introducing a #+LATEX_CMD: option in org-mode? (and default
to pdflatex)

,
| ; Perform a 2 or 3 xe/pdf/latex compilation
| ; tex: tex + (glossaries) + (bibtex + tex) + tex
| 
| (defun my-auto-tex-cmd ()
|   Automatically select the tex command to apply.
|   (let ((texcmd) (bibtexcmd) (glossariescmd) (dvi2pdfcmd))
| ; default command
| (setq texcmd pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)
| ; latex - .dvi (for .eps images)
| (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: latex (buffer-string))
|   (progn
| (setq texcmd latex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)
| (setq dvi2pdfcmd dvips %b.dvi; ps2pdf %b.ps))
|   ; xelatex - .pdf
|   (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: xelatex (buffer-string))
| (setq texcmd xelatex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)))
| ; first tex compilation command
| (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process (list texcmd))
| ; look for glossaries call
| (if (string-match makeglossaries (buffer-string))
|   (progn
| (setq glossariescmd makeindex -s %b.ist -t %b.glg -o %b.gls %b.glo;)
| (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
|   (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list glossariescmd)
| ; look for bibtex call
| (if (string-match bibliography (buffer-string))
|   (progn
| (setq bibtexcmd (concat bibtex %b;  texcmd))
| (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
|   (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list bibtexcmd)
| ; last tex compilation command
| (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
| (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list texcmd)))
| ; dvi - pdf
| (if dvi2pdfcmd
|   (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
| (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list dvi2pdfcmd))
| 
| (add-hook 'org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook 'my-auto-tex-cmd)
`


That also allow for customisation of the export of packages, for instance:

,
| ; Default packages
| (setq org-export-latex-packages-alist
|   '(( graphicx t)
|   ( longtable nil)
|   ( amssymb t)
|   ( color t)
|   (pdfborder=0 hyperref nil)
|   ( float nil)))
| 
| ; Custom packages
| (defun my-auto-tex-parameters ()
|   Automatically select the tex packages.
|   ; Default pdflatex
|   (setq org-export-latex-default-packages-alist
|   '((AUTO inputenc t)))
|   ; Look for xelatex call
|   (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: xelatex (buffer-string))
|   (setq org-export-latex-default-packages-alist
|   '(( fontspec t
| 
| (add-hook 'org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook 'my-auto-tex-parameters)
`


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-06 Thread Matthew Leifer
That is odd.  texi2dvi should default to using regular latex.  You usually
have to pass a -p option or use the alias texi2pdf in order to use pdflatex.
 It might be that you have a LATEX environment variable set.  In any case,
you can alter this behaviour by setting the LATEX environment variable, e.g.
setting the variable LATEX=xelatex will make texi2dvi use xelatex instead of
regular latex.

Finally, regarding .eps files, note that the latest version of pdflatex can
handle .eps graphics without having to go through the latex-dvips-ps2pdf
route so it might be worth your while upgrading.  Failing that, you can put
\usepackage{epstopdf} in your preamble and then older versions of pdflatex
will work just fine.

Best,

Matt Leifer

On 6 October 2010 10:36, Bruno Tavernier tavernier.br...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just tried the texi2dvi command that is nice, one problem though, it
 only makes use of pdflatex.

 In certain situations, I like to use latex+ps2pdf (some journals ask for
 .eps image file) or xelatex when mixing several fonts and writing in
 UTF-8 is mandatory, for example French + Japanese, Chinese, Hindi, etc.

 Currently I used the function below that I hook to the org-export-latex
 process.

 AFAIK, providing one use few packages, a .tex file to be used with
 pdflatex can be similar to one to be used with xelatex. The content of
 the document (UTF-8 characters) will make the difference.

 To circumvent this problem, considering pdflatex as the default option,
 I add to the org file a:
 #+LATEX_CMD: xelatex or #+LATEX_CMD: latex

 Note: bibtex and glossaries compilation are detected by their call,
 e.g. \bibliography

 How about introducing a #+LATEX_CMD: option in org-mode? (and default
 to pdflatex)

 ,
 | ; Perform a 2 or 3 xe/pdf/latex compilation
 | ; tex: tex + (glossaries) + (bibtex + tex) + tex
 |
 | (defun my-auto-tex-cmd ()
 |   Automatically select the tex command to apply.
 |   (let ((texcmd) (bibtexcmd) (glossariescmd) (dvi2pdfcmd))
 | ; default command
 | (setq texcmd pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)
 | ; latex - .dvi (for .eps images)
 | (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: latex (buffer-string))
 |   (progn
 | (setq texcmd latex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)
 | (setq dvi2pdfcmd dvips %b.dvi; ps2pdf %b.ps))
 |   ; xelatex - .pdf
 |   (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: xelatex (buffer-string))
 | (setq texcmd xelatex -interaction nonstopmode %f;)))
 | ; first tex compilation command
 | (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process (list texcmd))
 | ; look for glossaries call
 | (if (string-match makeglossaries (buffer-string))
 |   (progn
 | (setq glossariescmd makeindex -s %b.ist -t %b.glg -o %b.gls
 %b.glo;)
 | (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
 |   (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list glossariescmd)
 | ; look for bibtex call
 | (if (string-match bibliography (buffer-string))
 |   (progn
 | (setq bibtexcmd (concat bibtex %b;  texcmd))
 | (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
 |   (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list bibtexcmd)
 | ; last tex compilation command
 | (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
 | (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list texcmd)))
 | ; dvi - pdf
 | (if dvi2pdfcmd
 |   (setq org-latex-to-pdf-process
 | (nconc org-latex-to-pdf-process (list dvi2pdfcmd))
 |
 | (add-hook 'org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook 'my-auto-tex-cmd)
 `


 That also allow for customisation of the export of packages, for instance:

 ,
 | ; Default packages
 | (setq org-export-latex-packages-alist
 |   '(( graphicx t)
 |   ( longtable nil)
 |   ( amssymb t)
 |   ( color t)
 |   (pdfborder=0 hyperref nil)
 |   ( float nil)))
 |
 | ; Custom packages
 | (defun my-auto-tex-parameters ()
 |   Automatically select the tex packages.
 |   ; Default pdflatex
 |   (setq org-export-latex-default-packages-alist
 |   '((AUTO inputenc t)))
 |   ; Look for xelatex call
 |   (if (string-match LATEX_CMD: xelatex (buffer-string))
 |   (setq org-export-latex-default-packages-alist
 |   '(( fontspec t
 |
 | (add-hook 'org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook
 'my-auto-tex-parameters)
 `


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-06 Thread Scot Becker
 How about introducing a #+LATEX_CMD: option in org-mode? (and default
 to pdflatex)

Yes, please!  I use xelatex almost exclusively since it has  unicode
support for non-latin scripts.  And increasingly, some will presumably
want to use LuaTeX, which I'm told is slated to replace pdflatex in
the longer term as the standard latex processing engine.

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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-06 Thread Bruno Tavernier
Hey Matthew,

Thanks for the pointers.
I toyed with it a bit but that wasn't very successful.

 That is odd. texi2dvi should default to using regular latex. You usually
 have to pass a -p option or use the alias texi2pdf in order to use
 pdflatex.

It does default to latex, what I meant was that it default to pdflatex
with org-mode current setup.

 It might be that you have a LATEX environment variable set. In any case, you
 can alter this behaviour by setting the LATEX environment variable, e.g.
 setting the variable LATEX=xelatex will make texi2dvi use xelatex instead of
 regular latex. 

Setting the variable LATEX=xelatex indeed makes the compilation goes via
xelatex. However, texi2dvi seems to expect a .dvi to be generated (which
xelatex does not do) and thus fail to compile.

 Finally, regarding .eps files, note that the latest version of pdflatex can
 handle .eps graphics without having to go through the latex-dvips-ps2pdf
 route so it might be worth your while upgrading. Failing that, you can put \
 usepackage{epstopdf} in your preamble and then older versions of pdflatex will
 work just fine.

pdflatex -v
,
| pdfTeX 3.1415926-1.40.10-2.2 (TeX Live 2009/Arch Linux)
`

and still none of the above work. .eps file still require latex.

Nevermind though, the #+LATEX_CMD approach that is mentionned in my
previous post in this thread does the job. :-)

Emacs ought to be customized by the user!

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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik wrote:
 Thanks for the patch! I would certainly have a better way to process these
 files.

Could you make your latest sentence more explicit?


 1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might be needed?
Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run? Hmm, maybe this
would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.

I guess things in that direction are entirely possible. I don't use bibtex
yet, but will have a look at a better integration.


 2. The contrill structures you are using, are they standard shell or is bash
needed for this?

Good question!  Yes, I implicitly wrote in bash. That won't work for sure in
Windows...

But, then, how do we do for writing such shells in Emacs?  Go to Emacs's
builtin shell?  I have no experience with it, but I can have a look, except:
how would we be sure that the preferred shell of the user is that one?


 3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last PDFLaTeX run
still contains problems? Maybe even load the log file in this case?

For sure, such behaviors would be a great, in case of failures.

Best regards,
  Seb

 Here is my (much) better proposition:

 --8---cut here---start-8---
 diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
 index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
 --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
 +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
 @@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses both.
   :group 'org-export-latex
   :group 'org-export)

 +(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
 +  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
 +  :group 'org-export-pdf
 +  :type 'int)
 +
 (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
 -  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 -pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
 +  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 +bibtex %b
 +,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-
 references\ %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
 + (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
 +  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode
 -output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
   Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
 as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file name, %b
 by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base directory
 of the file.
 The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several runs of
 -pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a clever
 -mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get to a
 stable
 -result, and it also does not do any error checking.
 +pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever
 mechanism
 +to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get to a stable
 +result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of compilations
 after
 +bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for more).
 +Though, it does not do any error checking.

 Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the processing, so you
 could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX mode.
 This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
   :group 'org-export-pdf
   :type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
 -  (string :tag Shell command))
 + (string :tag Shell command))
   (function)))

 (defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Enhancements:

 - variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)

  Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling
 org-latex
  (before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO. Maybe
 there
  are better ways, though?

 - real standard sequence to compile the doc:

  + one call to PDFLaTeX
  + one call to BibTeX
  + as many calls as needed to PDFLaTeX (max 3)

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Matthew Leifer
Hi,

I don't know if you are aware, but there is a utility called texi2dvi that
figures out how many times LaTeX, bibtex, etc. need to be run and
automatically runs them the correct number of times for you.  It also has an
option -p that uses pdflatex and generates pdf instead of dvi.  In my
opinion, it would be better to make use of this rather than writing new code
to do this, as they have thought about all the edge cases in far more detail
than is possible here.  It is possible that some LaTeX installations do not
come with texi2dvi, but it does come with the full TeXLive installation so
plenty of people are likely to have it installed.  If you want to avoid this
breaking on systems that do not have texi2dvi installed then you could just
check for it, use it if it is available and, if not, give the user a warning
message that they may get better results if they install texi2dvi whilst
using the existing code.

Best,

Matt Leifer

2010/10/5 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com

 Hi Carsten,

 Carsten Dominik wrote:
  Thanks for the patch! I would certainly have a better way to process
 these
  files.

 Could you make your latest sentence more explicit?


  1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might be
 needed?
 Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run? Hmm, maybe this
 would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.

 I guess things in that direction are entirely possible. I don't use bibtex
 yet, but will have a look at a better integration.


  2. The contrill structures you are using, are they standard shell or is
 bash
 needed for this?

 Good question!  Yes, I implicitly wrote in bash. That won't work for sure
 in
 Windows...

 But, then, how do we do for writing such shells in Emacs?  Go to Emacs's
 builtin shell?  I have no experience with it, but I can have a look,
 except:
 how would we be sure that the preferred shell of the user is that one?


  3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last PDFLaTeX run
 still contains problems? Maybe even load the log file in this case?

 For sure, such behaviors would be a great, in case of failures.

 Best regards,
  Seb

  Here is my (much) better proposition:
 
  --8---cut here---start-8---
  diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
  index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
  --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
  +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
  @@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses
 both.
:group 'org-export-latex
:group 'org-export)
 
  +(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
  +  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
  +  :group 'org-export-pdf
  +  :type 'int)
  +
  (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
  -  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
  -pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
  +  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
  +bibtex %b
  +,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-
  references\ %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
  + (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
  +  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode
  -output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
  This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
  as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file name,
 %b
  by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base
 directory
  of the file.
  The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several runs of
  -pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a
 clever
  -mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get to a
  stable
  -result, and it also does not do any error checking.
  +pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever
  mechanism
  +to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get to a
 stable
  +result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of compilations
  after
  +bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for
 more).
  +Though, it does not do any error checking.
 
  Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the processing, so
 you
  could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX mode.
  This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
:group 'org-export-pdf
:type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
  -  (string :tag Shell command))
  + (string :tag Shell command))
(function)))
 
  (defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
  --8---cut here---end---8---
 
  Enhancements:
 
  - variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)
 
   Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling
  org-latex
   (before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO. 

Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Carsten Dominik


On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:


Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik wrote:
Thanks for the patch! I would certainly have a better way to  
process these

files.


I would certainly *like very much to have your* better way to process  
it.


Sorry about that confusing sentence...



Could you make your latest sentence more explicit?


1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might be  
needed?
  Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run? Hmm, maybe  
this

  would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.


I guess things in that direction are entirely possible. I don't use  
bibtex

yet, but will have a look at a better integration.


2. The contrill structures you are using, are they standard shell  
or is bash

  needed for this?


Good question!  Yes, I implicitly wrote in bash. That won't work for  
sure in

Windows...

But, then, how do we do for writing such shells in Emacs?  Go to  
Emacs's
builtin shell?  I have no experience with it, but I can have a look,  
except:

how would we be sure that the preferred shell of the user is that one?


I think the safe way would be to capture output of the run to an Emacs  
buffer and study it there.  this is what AUCTeX is doing, I think.


Anyway, I think your new way is already better than the old one.

Cheers.

- Carsten




3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last PDFLaTeX  
run

  still contains problems? Maybe even load the log file in this case?


For sure, such behaviors would be a great, in case of failures.

Best regards,
 Seb


Here is my (much) better proposition:

--8---cut here---start-8---
diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
--- a/lisp/org-latex.el
+++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
@@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here  
encompasses both.

 :group 'org-export-latex
 :group 'org-export)

+(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
+  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
+  :group 'org-export-pdf
+  :type 'int)
+
(defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
-  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
-pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
+  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
+bibtex %b
+,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-
references\ %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
+ (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
+  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode
-output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
 Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file  
name, %b
by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base  
directory

of the file.
The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several  
runs of
-pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a  
clever
-mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get  
to a

stable
-result, and it also does not do any error checking.
+pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever
mechanism
+to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get  
to a stable
+result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of  
compilations

after
+bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs'  
for more).

+Though, it does not do any error checking.

Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the  
processing, so you
could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX  
mode.

This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
 :group 'org-export-pdf
 :type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
- (string :tag Shell command))
+(string :tag Shell command))
 (function)))

(defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
--8---cut here---end---8---

Enhancements:

- variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)

Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling
org-latex
(before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO.  
Maybe

there
are better ways, though?

- real standard sequence to compile the doc:

+ one call to PDFLaTeX
+ one call to BibTeX
+ as many calls as needed to PDFLaTeX (max 3)


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Indraneel Majumdar
 texi2dvi is also on my minimal MikTex system, I'd certainly love a 
patch that uses it instead of a shell script (although I also have 
cygwin too)..


On 2010-10-05 20:00, Matthew Leifer wrote:

Hi,

I don't know if you are aware, but there is a utility called texi2dvi 
that figures out how many times LaTeX, bibtex, etc. need to be run and 
automatically runs them the correct number of times for you.  It also 
has an option -p that uses pdflatex and generates pdf instead of dvi. 
 In my opinion, it would be better to make use of this rather than 
writing new code to do this, as they have thought about all the edge 
cases in far more detail than is possible here.  It is possible that 
some LaTeX installations do not come with texi2dvi, but it does come 
with the full TeXLive installation so plenty of people are likely to 
have it installed.  If you want to avoid this breaking on systems that 
do not have texi2dvi installed then you could just check for it, use 
it if it is available and, if not, give the user a warning message 
that they may get better results if they install texi2dvi whilst using 
the existing code.


Best,

Matt Leifer

2010/10/5 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com 
mailto:wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com


Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik wrote:
 Thanks for the patch! I would certainly have a better way to
process these
 files.

Could you make your latest sentence more explicit?


 1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might
be needed?
Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run? Hmm,
maybe this
would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.

I guess things in that direction are entirely possible. I don't
use bibtex
yet, but will have a look at a better integration.


 2. The contrill structures you are using, are they standard
shell or is bash
needed for this?

Good question!  Yes, I implicitly wrote in bash. That won't work
for sure in
Windows...

But, then, how do we do for writing such shells in Emacs?  Go to
Emacs's
builtin shell?  I have no experience with it, but I can have a
look, except:
how would we be sure that the preferred shell of the user is that one?


 3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last
PDFLaTeX run
still contains problems? Maybe even load the log file in this
case?

For sure, such behaviors would be a great, in case of failures.

Best regards,
 Seb

 Here is my (much) better proposition:

 --8---cut here---start-8---
 diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
 index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
 --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
 +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
 @@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here
encompasses both.
   :group 'org-export-latex
   :group 'org-export)

 +(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
 +  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
 +  :group 'org-export-pdf
 +  :type 'int)
 +
 (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
 -  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 -pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
 +  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 +bibtex %b
 +,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-
 references\ %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
 + (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
 +  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction
nonstopmode
 -output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
   Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
 as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full
file name, %b
 by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the
base directory
 of the file.
 The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several
runs of
 -pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not
have a clever
 -mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to
get to a
 stable
 -result, and it also does not do any error checking.
 +pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever
 mechanism
 +to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to
get to a stable
 +result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of
compilations
 after
 +bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see
`org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for more).
 +Though, it does not do any error checking.

 Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the
processing, so you
 could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs
LaTeX mode.
 This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
   :group 

[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Achim Gratz
Matthew Leifer mslei...@gmail.com writes:
 I don't know if you are aware, but there is a utility called texi2dvi
 that figures out how many times LaTeX, bibtex, etc. need to be run and
 automatically runs them the correct number of times for you.
[...]

You know, I've been using LaTeX for so long, but it never occured to me
that texi2dvi could actually be used for something other than, well,
texinfo files (and the manual doesn't really make much fuzz about that
either).  But it just works... this is _great_ news, thank you!  Now
I'll have to make AucTeX use this.


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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Achim Gratz

Commit 59ba4125 lisp/org-latex.el raises warning during byte-compile:

In org-export-as-pdf:
org-latex.el:882:28:Warning: assignment to free variable `errors'
org-latex.el:882:47:Warning: reference to free variable `errors'


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-05 Thread Carsten Dominik


On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Achim Gratz wrote:



Commit 59ba4125 lisp/org-latex.el raises warning during byte-compile:

In org-export-as-pdf:
org-latex.el:882:28:Warning: assignment to free variable `errors'
org-latex.el:882:47:Warning: reference to free variable `errors'


Fixed, thanks.

- Carsten




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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-04 Thread Carsten Dominik

Hi Sebastian,

Thanks for the patch!  I would certainly have a better way to process
these files.

My questions:

1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might be  
needed?

Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run?  Hmm, maybe this
would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.

2.  The contrill structures you are using, are they standard shell
or is bash needed for this?

3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last PDFLaTeX
run still contains problems?  Maybe even load the log file in this case?

Thanks!

- Carsten

On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:





Here is my (much) better proposition:

--8---cut here---start-8---
diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
--- a/lisp/org-latex.el
+++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
@@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses  
both.

  :group 'org-export-latex
  :group 'org-export)

+(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
+  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
+  :group 'org-export-pdf
+  :type 'int)
+
(defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
-  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
-pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
+  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
+bibtex %b
+,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross- 
references\ %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 

+ (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
+  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode  
-output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))

  Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file  
name, %b
by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base  
directory

of the file.
The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several runs of
-pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a  
clever
-mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get  
to a stable

-result, and it also does not do any error checking.
+pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever  
mechanism
+to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get to  
a stable
+result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of  
compilations after
+bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for  
more).

+Though, it does not do any error checking.

Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the processing,  
so you
could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX  
mode.

This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
  :group 'org-export-pdf
  :type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
- (string :tag Shell command))
+(string :tag Shell command))
 (function)))

(defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
--8---cut here---end---8---

Enhancements:

- variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)

 Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling  
org-latex
 (before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO.  
Maybe there

 are better ways, though?

- real standard sequence to compile the doc:

 + one call to PDFLaTeX
 + one call to BibTeX
 + as many calls as needed to PDFLaTeX (max 3)

Best regards,
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-04 Thread Scot Becker
As soon as I can, I'll give the patch a test using XeLaTeX as well.
It'd be great to have this feature also be able to run xelatex instead
of pdflatex to support that toolchain as well (for its better UTF-8
support and OpenType font integration).  I expect this to be easy,
because as far as I can tell the output/error/warning messages are the
same.

Scot


2010/10/4 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com:
 Hi Sebastian,

 Thanks for the patch!  I would certainly have a better way to process
 these files.

 My questions:

 1. Can we run bibtex only if we have an indication that it might be needed?
 Maybe by looking at the output of the first LaTeX run?  Hmm, maybe this
 would not work if only the bibtex database file was changed.

 2.  The contrill structures you are using, are they standard shell
 or is bash needed for this?

 3. Maybe we can extract a useful error message if the last PDFLaTeX
 run still contains problems?  Maybe even load the log file in this case?

 Thanks!

 - Carsten

 On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:17 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:




 Here is my (much) better proposition:

 --8---cut here---start-8---
 diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
 index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
 --- a/lisp/org-latex.el
 +++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
 @@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses both.
  :group 'org-export-latex
  :group 'org-export)

 +(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
 +  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
 +  :group 'org-export-pdf
 +  :type 'int)
 +
 (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
 -  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 -    pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
 +  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
 +    bibtex %b
 +    ,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-references\
 %b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
 +             (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
 +              ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode
 -output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
  Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
 as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file name,
 %b
 by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base
 directory
 of the file.
 The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several runs of
 -pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a clever
 -mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get to a
 stable
 -result, and it also does not do any error checking.
 +pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever
 mechanism
 +to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get to a
 stable
 +result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of compilations
 after
 +bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for
 more).
 +Though, it does not do any error checking.

 Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the processing, so
 you
 could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX mode.
 This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
  :group 'org-export-pdf
  :type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
 -                 (string :tag Shell command))
 +                        (string :tag Shell command))
                 (function)))

 (defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
 --8---cut here---end---8---

 Enhancements:

 - variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)

  Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling
 org-latex
  (before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO. Maybe
 there
  are better ways, though?

 - real standard sequence to compile the doc:

  + one call to PDFLaTeX
  + one call to BibTeX
  + as many calls as needed to PDFLaTeX (max 3)

 Best regards,
  Seb

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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-01 Thread Thomas S. Dye

On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:


Hi Nick,

Nick Dokos wrote:

Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:

Noorul Islam K M wrote:

Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
I've been taught of a weird observation: the page number  
indicated in

the TOC of a PDFLaTeX output is wrong by one page...


Quoting from source code

(defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
 '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
   pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
 Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
as a command.


Attached my proposed patch for fixing this, regarding the TOC  
error (needed a
third compilation). Here, as many compilations as necessary are  
run, up to
when LaTeX confirms the result is stable (no message please re- 
run...).


I don't know if that's still the case, but there were (rare)  
situations
where that would *never* happen: LaTeX would oscillate between two  
different
states of output, so you always needed to do one more compilation.  
The only
fix was to rearrange the *input* sligthly to try to get LaTeX out  
of its

rut.


In years of LaTeX use, that's something that I never have had to  
play with. I
think such experiences are close to 0 in one full LaTeX live.  
Though, yes, it

can happen.


It may be wise to limit the number of compilations to 3 (but  
perhaps make it

configurable, so that it can be increased if necessary).


Nice idea. I'll try to see if I can come up with something like that.

Best regards,
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Aloha Seb,

This will be a nice addition to Org-mode.

All the best,
Tom
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-01 Thread Nick Dokos
Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:

 Hi Nick,
 
 Nick Dokos wrote:
  Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:
  Noorul Islam K M wrote:
   Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
   I've been taught of a weird observation: the page number indicated in
   the TOC of a PDFLaTeX output is wrong by one page...
  
   Quoting from source code
  
   (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
 '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
   pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
 Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
   This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
   as a command.
  
  Attached my proposed patch for fixing this, regarding the TOC error 
  (needed a
  third compilation). Here, as many compilations as necessary are run, up to
  when LaTeX confirms the result is stable (no message please re-run...).
 
  I don't know if that's still the case, but there were (rare) situations
  where that would *never* happen: LaTeX would oscillate between two different
  states of output, so you always needed to do one more compilation. The only
  fix was to rearrange the *input* sligthly to try to get LaTeX out of its
  rut.
 
 In years of LaTeX use, that's something that I never have had to play with. I
 think such experiences are close to 0 in one full LaTeX live. Though, yes, it
 can happen.
 

Me neither - it is really rare. See

   http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=rerun

for one possibility.

OTOH, I have never had a document that requires more than 3 compilations to get
references right either, although I'm sure that they exist. That's what the 3
suggestion was based on.

 
  It may be wise to limit the number of compilations to 3 (but perhaps make it
  configurable, so that it can be increased if necessary).
 
 Nice idea. I'll try to see if I can come up with something like that.
 

Cheers,
Nick


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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-10-01 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Nick and Thomas,

Thomas S. Dye wrote:
 On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
 Nick Dokos wrote:
 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:
 Noorul Islam K M wrote:
 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
 I've been taught of a weird observation: the page number indicated in
 the TOC of a PDFLaTeX output is wrong by one page...

 Quoting from source code

 (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
  Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
 as a command.

 Attached my proposed patch for fixing this, regarding the TOC error
 (needed a third compilation). Here, as many compilations as necessary are
 run, up to when LaTeX confirms the result is stable (no message please
 re- run...).

 I don't know if that's still the case, but there were (rare) situations
 where that would *never* happen: LaTeX would oscillate between two
 different states of output, so you always needed to do one more
 compilation. The only fix was to rearrange the *input* sligthly to try to
 get LaTeX out of its rut.

 In years of LaTeX use, that's something that I never have had to play with.
 I think such experiences are close to 0 in one full LaTeX live. Though,
 yes, it can happen.

 It may be wise to limit the number of compilations to 3 (but perhaps make
 it configurable, so that it can be increased if necessary).

 Nice idea. I'll try to see if I can come up with something like that.

 This will be a nice addition to Org-mode.

Here is my (much) better proposition:

--8---cut here---start-8---
diff --git a/lisp/org-latex.el b/lisp/org-latex.el
index 9a62457..0a2c5fe 100644
--- a/lisp/org-latex.el
+++ b/lisp/org-latex.el
@@ -455,25 +455,35 @@ allowed.  The default we use here encompasses both.
   :group 'org-export-latex
   :group 'org-export)
 
+(defcustom org-latex-pdf-max-runs 3
+  Maximum number of times PDFLaTeX is run after BibTeX.
+  :group 'org-export-pdf
+  :type 'int)
+
 (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
-  '(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
-pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
+  `(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
+bibtex %b
+,(concat let COUNTER=0; while (grep -e \Rerun .* cross-references\ 
%b.log  /dev/null); do if [ $COUNTER -eq 
+ (int-to-string org-latex-pdf-max-runs)
+  ]; then break; fi; pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode 
-output-directory %o %f; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done))
   Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
 This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
 as a command.  %f in the command will be replaced by the full file name, %b
 by the file base name (i.e. without extension) and %o by the base directory
 of the file.
 The reason why this is a list is that it usually takes several runs of
-pdflatex, maybe mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does not have a clever
-mechanism to detect which of these commands have to be run to get to a stable
-result, and it also does not do any error checking.
+pdflatex, mixed with a call to bibtex.  Org does now have a clever mechanism
+to detect how many times the document has to be compiled to get to a stable
+result for the cross-references.  Moreover, the number of compilations after
+bibtex is limited to 3 by default (see `org-latex-pdf-max-runs' for more).
+Though, it does not do any error checking.
 
 Alternatively, this may be a Lisp function that does the processing, so you
 could use this to apply the machinery of AUCTeX or the Emacs LaTeX mode.
 This function should accept the file name as its single argument.
   :group 'org-export-pdf
   :type '(choice (repeat :tag Shell command sequence
- (string :tag Shell command))
+(string :tag Shell command))
 (function)))
 
 (defcustom org-export-pdf-logfiles
--8---cut here---end---8---

Enhancements:

- variable to limit the number of PDFLaTeX runs (3, by default)

  Though, the way it is evaluated, you need to set it before calling org-latex
  (before defining org-latex-to-pdf-process). Not a problem, IMHO. Maybe there
  are better ways, though?

- real standard sequence to compile the doc:

  + one call to PDFLaTeX
  + one call to BibTeX
  + as many calls as needed to PDFLaTeX (max 3)

Best regards,
  Seb

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[Orgmode] Re: [PATCH] Compiling multiple times the LaTeX output

2010-09-30 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Nick,

Nick Dokos wrote:
 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:
 Noorul Islam K M wrote:
  Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
  I've been taught of a weird observation: the page number indicated in
  the TOC of a PDFLaTeX output is wrong by one page...
 
  Quoting from source code
 
  (defcustom org-latex-to-pdf-process
'(pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f
  pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f)
Commands to process a LaTeX file to a PDF file.
  This is a list of strings, each of them will be given to the shell
  as a command.
 
 Attached my proposed patch for fixing this, regarding the TOC error (needed a
 third compilation). Here, as many compilations as necessary are run, up to
 when LaTeX confirms the result is stable (no message please re-run...).

 I don't know if that's still the case, but there were (rare) situations
 where that would *never* happen: LaTeX would oscillate between two different
 states of output, so you always needed to do one more compilation. The only
 fix was to rearrange the *input* sligthly to try to get LaTeX out of its
 rut.

In years of LaTeX use, that's something that I never have had to play with. I
think such experiences are close to 0 in one full LaTeX live. Though, yes, it
can happen.


 It may be wise to limit the number of compilations to 3 (but perhaps make it
 configurable, so that it can be increased if necessary).

Nice idea. I'll try to see if I can come up with something like that.

Best regards,
  Seb

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