Re: [O] Right-to-left text in org mode
You are right, I forgot about that. I also have (setq bidi-paragraph-direction nil) in my org-mode-hook. Regadrs, Dov On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: It turns out that org mode does force directionality in its buffers. I found in org.el the line 5308 (setq bidi-paragraph-direction 'left-to-right) However, bidi-paragraph-direction is always buffer local when set. That explains why switching to other mode does not help. The solution is to set bidi-paragraph-direction to nil in org buffers with mixed LTR and RTL texts. This, however, might change the alignment of some headings to right-aligned. But the bidi markers now work just fine, so it's just a matter of placing them wisely. I appreciate the time you took for this little discussion. It helped me get a clearer picture of the inner workings of bidi and emacs. Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: A work around seems to be to provide an empty line between the LTR and the RTL paragraph. I.e. instead of * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL do: * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL But you are correct that the wrapping of LTR paragraphs with RTL text is buggy. This bug seems to have nothing to do with org mode, but happens e.g. in text mode and fundamental mode as well. You should raise this issue on the emacs-list or file a bug with emacs. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically what additional information should I provide? This happens to me even without my .emacs loaded. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with m17n-(db/contrib), libm17n-(0/dev) installed. It seems that in org mode is forcing LTR in mixed-directionality texts since, for example, a heading with RTL text will not change the stars to be right-aligned, and the cursor's behavior in org mode is different than in a clean buffer. Perhaps you could show me how to ignore any previous paragraph settings other than with R-T-L MARK? Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: I was able to reproduce this behavior only with by forcing the paragraph direction to LTR or equivilantly by having a first strong LTR character in the beginning of the paragraph. Please provide more information about your environment, and someone might be able to help you. Regards, Dov On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need to work in an org buffer with both left-to-right and right-to-left text. Although the character directionality and composition works fine, when writing paragraphs with visual-line-mode on the lines get inverted, i.e., the line ZYX CBA appears as ZYX CBA instead of CBA ZYX The section 22.20 Bidirectional Editing of the Emacs manual suggests forcing the directionality of the paragraph with RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, but this does not seem to work: even with such a character beginning the line, (current-bidi-paragraph-direction) returns left-to-right. The RTL MARK seems to work just fine in tables. When written in a clean text-mode buffer the same text appears with proper directionality. However switching from org-mode to text-mode does not correct directionality in said paragraphs. The issue persists even when visiting the file with emacs -Q. org-version 8.0.3, same issue with v. 7.9.4 Your help is much appreciated. -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT
Re: [O] Right-to-left text in org mode
A work around seems to be to provide an empty line between the LTR and the RTL paragraph. I.e. instead of * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL do: * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL But you are correct that the wrapping of LTR paragraphs with RTL text is buggy. This bug seems to have nothing to do with org mode, but happens e.g. in text mode and fundamental mode as well. You should raise this issue on the emacs-list or file a bug with emacs. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically what additional information should I provide? This happens to me even without my .emacs loaded. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with m17n-(db/contrib), libm17n-(0/dev) installed. It seems that in org mode is forcing LTR in mixed-directionality texts since, for example, a heading with RTL text will not change the stars to be right-aligned, and the cursor's behavior in org mode is different than in a clean buffer. Perhaps you could show me how to ignore any previous paragraph settings other than with R-T-L MARK? Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: I was able to reproduce this behavior only with by forcing the paragraph direction to LTR or equivilantly by having a first strong LTR character in the beginning of the paragraph. Please provide more information about your environment, and someone might be able to help you. Regards, Dov On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need to work in an org buffer with both left-to-right and right-to-left text. Although the character directionality and composition works fine, when writing paragraphs with visual-line-mode on the lines get inverted, i.e., the line ZYX CBA appears as ZYX CBA instead of CBA ZYX The section 22.20 Bidirectional Editing of the Emacs manual suggests forcing the directionality of the paragraph with RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, but this does not seem to work: even with such a character beginning the line, (current-bidi-paragraph-direction) returns left-to-right. The RTL MARK seems to work just fine in tables. When written in a clean text-mode buffer the same text appears with proper directionality. However switching from org-mode to text-mode does not correct directionality in said paragraphs. The issue persists even when visiting the file with emacs -Q. org-version 8.0.3, same issue with v. 7.9.4 Your help is much appreciated. -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT
Re: [O] Right-to-left text in org mode
It turns out that org mode does force directionality in its buffers. I found in org.el the line 5308 (setq bidi-paragraph-direction 'left-to-right) However, bidi-paragraph-direction is always buffer local when set. That explains why switching to other mode does not help. The solution is to set bidi-paragraph-direction to nil in org buffers with mixed LTR and RTL texts. This, however, might change the alignment of some headings to right-aligned. But the bidi markers now work just fine, so it's just a matter of placing them wisely. I appreciate the time you took for this little discussion. It helped me get a clearer picture of the inner workings of bidi and emacs. Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: A work around seems to be to provide an empty line between the LTR and the RTL paragraph. I.e. instead of * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL do: * this is ltr * THIS IS RTL But you are correct that the wrapping of LTR paragraphs with RTL text is buggy. This bug seems to have nothing to do with org mode, but happens e.g. in text mode and fundamental mode as well. You should raise this issue on the emacs-list or file a bug with emacs. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically what additional information should I provide? This happens to me even without my .emacs loaded. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with m17n-(db/contrib), libm17n-(0/dev) installed. It seems that in org mode is forcing LTR in mixed-directionality texts since, for example, a heading with RTL text will not change the stars to be right-aligned, and the cursor's behavior in org mode is different than in a clean buffer. Perhaps you could show me how to ignore any previous paragraph settings other than with R-T-L MARK? Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: I was able to reproduce this behavior only with by forcing the paragraph direction to LTR or equivilantly by having a first strong LTR character in the beginning of the paragraph. Please provide more information about your environment, and someone might be able to help you. Regards, Dov On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need to work in an org buffer with both left-to-right and right-to-left text. Although the character directionality and composition works fine, when writing paragraphs with visual-line-mode on the lines get inverted, i.e., the line ZYX CBA appears as ZYX CBA instead of CBA ZYX The section 22.20 Bidirectional Editing of the Emacs manual suggests forcing the directionality of the paragraph with RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, but this does not seem to work: even with such a character beginning the line, (current-bidi-paragraph-direction) returns left-to-right. The RTL MARK seems to work just fine in tables. When written in a clean text-mode buffer the same text appears with proper directionality. However switching from org-mode to text-mode does not correct directionality in said paragraphs. The issue persists even when visiting the file with emacs -Q. org-version 8.0.3, same issue with v. 7.9.4 Your help is much appreciated. -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT
Re: [O] Right-to-left text in org mode
I was able to reproduce this behavior only with by forcing the paragraph direction to LTR or equivilantly by having a first strong LTR character in the beginning of the paragraph. Please provide more information about your environment, and someone might be able to help you. Regards, Dov On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need to work in an org buffer with both left-to-right and right-to-left text. Although the character directionality and composition works fine, when writing paragraphs with visual-line-mode on the lines get inverted, i.e., the line ZYX CBA appears as ZYX CBA instead of CBA ZYX The section 22.20 Bidirectional Editing of the Emacs manual suggests forcing the directionality of the paragraph with RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, but this does not seem to work: even with such a character beginning the line, (current-bidi-paragraph-direction) returns left-to-right. The RTL MARK seems to work just fine in tables. When written in a clean text-mode buffer the same text appears with proper directionality. However switching from org-mode to text-mode does not correct directionality in said paragraphs. The issue persists even when visiting the file with emacs -Q. org-version 8.0.3, same issue with v. 7.9.4 Your help is much appreciated. -- Manuel GJT
Re: [O] Right-to-left text in org mode
Specifically what additional information should I provide? This happens to me even without my .emacs loaded. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 with m17n-(db/contrib), libm17n-(0/dev) installed. It seems that in org mode is forcing LTR in mixed-directionality texts since, for example, a heading with RTL text will not change the stars to be right-aligned, and the cursor's behavior in org mode is different than in a clean buffer. Perhaps you could show me how to ignore any previous paragraph settings other than with R-T-L MARK? Kind regards, Manuel GJT On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.comwrote: I was able to reproduce this behavior only with by forcing the paragraph direction to LTR or equivilantly by having a first strong LTR character in the beginning of the paragraph. Please provide more information about your environment, and someone might be able to help you. Regards, Dov On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Manuel GJT valh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I need to work in an org buffer with both left-to-right and right-to-left text. Although the character directionality and composition works fine, when writing paragraphs with visual-line-mode on the lines get inverted, i.e., the line ZYX CBA appears as ZYX CBA instead of CBA ZYX The section 22.20 Bidirectional Editing of the Emacs manual suggests forcing the directionality of the paragraph with RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, but this does not seem to work: even with such a character beginning the line, (current-bidi-paragraph-direction) returns left-to-right. The RTL MARK seems to work just fine in tables. When written in a clean text-mode buffer the same text appears with proper directionality. However switching from org-mode to text-mode does not correct directionality in said paragraphs. The issue persists even when visiting the file with emacs -Q. org-version 8.0.3, same issue with v. 7.9.4 Your help is much appreciated. -- Manuel GJT -- Manuel GJT
