Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
I don't think many developers actually use the forum. Which is quite a shame reall. But then its not possible to issue emails or private messages so it won't work.. Maybe its actually this email news group. I have to say the EMC chat line is not really a good fit for An Aussie due to the

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Stefan Asmus
Maybe a section in the forum where people post the work they want to have done and prospective developers get in contact with them? From: Rod Webster Sent: Monday, 15 June 2020 12:14 PM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation My original

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
My original suggestion was that there should be a mechanism that allowed people who wanted to engage a developer to connect with interested developers. I still think thats not a bad idea and does not go against the spirit of the project. When you have a project where you need help you have no

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Phill Carter
If an individual or a business wants to contract a developer to do work for them then I don't see a problem with that. They can then choose whether or not they would like to contribute that back to the LinuxCNC project although it would be preferable if they did so. I don't think that LinxCNC

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 14 June 2020 13:25:46 Dean Forbes (PERS) wrote: > I am not a developer and an not hugley active on the linuxcnc forum > and am not a CNC expert but am an enthusiast and would like to share > my view > > Linuxcnc is an open source product but it is also a community > > As a community it

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Stefan Asmus
>As for "commercialisation" I dont believe it is the way to go and having >long term funded roles threatens what Linuxcnc is and introduces many other >dynamic whilst we are not in a perfect world at the moment it would be more >complex and difficult if it were commercialised in my view I have

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Dean Forbes (PERS)
I am not a developer and an not hugley active on the linuxcnc forum and am not a CNC expert but am an enthusiast and would like to share my view Linuxcnc is an open source product but it is also a community As a community it will have its moments, groups of people with different views goals etc

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 14 June 2020 09:28:29 Julian Wingert wrote: > And you can bet your bottom dollar there are hundreds of others > willing to pay. Question is how we keep this project from being ripped > apart. Because we sure as hell will have some who are afraid of > commercial involvement. > > Julian

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
>I'm not a linuxcnc developer, but I'm working on to become one ;) I'm not a Linuxcnc developer and I'm trying hard NOT to become one. But you do what you have to do so I will follow in your footsteps Reinhardt! And self-flagelation is fun sometimes! Rod Webster *1300 896 832* +61 435 765 611

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
Hi Rod, On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 15:55:44 CEST Rod Webster wrote: > There are not many masochists like > me that want to dig into the /src/emc folder. looks like I'm the same masochist =:O Maybe we should fraternize ;) cheers Reinhard ___

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
Well, I myself don't have the time to work on lcnc. But paying a few hundred bucks some time or low 2figure regularly wouldn't be an issue. Best regards Julian On 14 June 2020 15:57:08 CEST, Reinhard wrote: >Hi Stefan, > >On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 15:49:32 CEST Stefan Asmus wrote: >> So what

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
Hi Stefan, On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 15:49:32 CEST Stefan Asmus wrote: > So what is the worst case scenario? More forks pop up like MachineKit? Sorry, my post was not against you! Although I quoted your mail. I HATE people, that travel on goods for nothing and who have the impertinence to put

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
> I can look myself if I have to and pay someone if I'm able to. >The latter is missing here. Let's fix it. I think there is plenty of scope here for low hanging fruit building custom GUI's and a couple of custom components. There are not many masochists like me that want to dig into the /src/emc

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
>I have no issues with my proposed paid development being made open source. But I understand that others will have that issue. >I would say that if that is what the client wants, they have to accept that the work is based upon a open source framework. But that has its advantages because so many

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
Ah yeah, here we go. Again. Open source =! Non commercial And please don't think that Beckhoff would pay for your wrecked machine even if they fucked it up. There is no warranty that covers you. That's why I prefer open source. I can look myself if I have to and pay someone if I'm able to. The

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Stefan Asmus
So what is the worst case scenario? More forks pop up like MachineKit? Or you guys do nothing and let another project overtake what you have already worked so hard for. Why not grab it by the balls and see what it can truly do? LinuxCNC is already capable of so much. I am sure it can do more

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 15:34:37 CEST Stefan Asmus wrote: > they have to accept that the work is based upon a open source framework that > cannot be copyrighted. That's the point. To be precise - the open source framework IS already copyrighted. Just read the file COPYING from the project

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Stefan Asmus
I have no issues with my proposed paid development being made open source. But I understand that others will have that issue. I would say that if that is what the client wants, they have to accept that the work is based upon a open source framework that cannot be copyrighted. From: Julian

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
And you can bet your bottom dollar there are hundreds of others willing to pay. Question is how we keep this project from being ripped apart. Because we sure as hell will have some who are afraid of commercial involvement. Julian On 14 June 2020 15:22:07 CEST, Stefan Asmus wrote: >I am not a

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Stefan Asmus
I am not a developer (well I will try on some projects in the near future), But I have used PlasmaC on my industrial plasma machine I designed and built. I spent close to $40K AUD on the build and I if I wanted to use a commercial plasma software, the Hypertherm software controller I was quoted

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread N
> Moin! (north german hello) > > I would like to add some thoughts. > > 1. Releases are a must have. Think about someone having a 1 Dollar > Maschine being brocken by a Bug. I for myself am very cautious about testing > new versions, as my machine has 2x 2KW servos on y-axis, easy able to

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
Hi, > Octoprint is an interesting case there, Patreon allows Gina to work on > it as a full-time job. I loosely follow devtalk.blender.org ... Blender is an opensource project which I heavily use. Blender has a bunch of paid fulltime developers, but I never read about requirements. >From the

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 13:44:23 CEST Rod Webster wrote: > >Well, call me simpleminded, but I won't accept any requirement from nobody > > without bugs on the table. > > Well I have a bug on the table trying to extend State tags to ... LOL - love it :D

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
I send this to a friend of mine who is actually looking for a new project. It would boost lcnc in my opinion if we had someone being lead who is not working for free. I mean the users are earning money with the software, why shouldn't those who build it? Yours Julian On 14 June 2020 13:38:16

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
>Well, call me simpleminded, but I won't accept any requirement from nobody > without bugs on the table. Well I have a bug on the table trying to extend State tags to include arc radius. Everything runs but I get an application error window when I open halshow. Any guidance appreciated Rod

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 12:23, Rod Webster wrote: > Thats not necessarily true. What sets this project apart from many other > open source applications is that its 100% voluntariness. Most other open > source projects I've been associated with have a revenue stream from > commercial activities.

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 13:21:29 CEST Julian Wingert wrote: > And linuxcnc is a commercial software. Oups - didn't know that. Well, call me simpleminded, but I won't accept any requirement from nobody without bugs on the table. And even then I decide by myself, whether I accept a

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Rod Webster
Thats not necessarily true. What sets this project apart from many other open source applications is that its 100% voluntariness. Most other open source projects I've been associated with have a revenue stream from commercial activities. Open ERP (now Odoo) and Magento are two open source

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
Moin! Oh, believe me I know what you mean. And, I am just stating my personal opinion. But you are confusing open source with non-commercial. And linuxcnc is a commercial software. Because it is used to feed loads of people in loads of machine shops over the world. And if you disregard this you

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Reinhard
Hi, On Sonntag, 14. Juni 2020, 11:53:13 CEST Julian Wingert wrote: > Releases are a must have. I think, you don't understand opensource projects. The main principle is voluntariness. If you have requirements, go ahead and buy a commercial cnc-controller. If you put enuf bugs on the table,

Re: [Emc-developers] quirks of ngcgui

2020-06-14 Thread John
I've always ran ngcgui as a tab in Axis and never tried to run it stand alone. Maybe it needs a main window as a container. JT On 6/13/20 9:41 AM, Reinhard wrote: Hi, for testing purpose I wanted to try ngcgui. When I called ngcgui from commandline, I first wondered, why nothing happens.

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
We will easy be able to pay for a full time developer if we all put our 5 dollars in one pot... On 14 June 2020 11:53:13 CEST, Julian Wingert wrote: >Moin! (north german hello) > >I would like to add some thoughts. > >1. Releases are a must have. Think about someone having a 1 Dollar

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.8 Situation

2020-06-14 Thread Julian Wingert
Moin! (north german hello) I would like to add some thoughts. 1. Releases are a must have. Think about someone having a 1 Dollar Maschine being brocken by a Bug. I for myself am very cautious about testing new versions, as my machine has 2x 2KW servos on y-axis, easy able to tear the