Re: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 25 Mar 2009 at 21:47, neve...@comcast.net wrote: Does it matter for the discussion that: 1) Power is not present at the output of the source unless the other side of the cable connects to a PD (powered device) which signals to the sourcing equipment it is a PD and to turn it on. If you

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 26 Mar 2009 at 9:00, Umbdenstock, Don wrote: My apologies for thinking out loud “if a PD can present up to a 13 W load, then the 25k handshake cannot be part of the load, but rather is restricted to a handshake circuit. So the question is whether there is a spec for current limiting for

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 25 Mar 2009 at 23:17, Ron Pickard, RPQ wrote: Hi Don, Further to what Joe has stated below, according to IEC 60950-1 an ethernet interface circuit is generally characterized as an SELV circuit, but must also be considered a TNV-1 circuit if it is subject to overvoltages (atmospheric

RE: Comb Generator

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Are you using it on an OATS or in a chamber? Don 561 912 6440 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:51 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Comb Generator Dear Members, If you know

Requirements for car power adapter

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi, could someone share any experience in going through regulatory for car power adapter: 11V-24VDC to 12V1ADC. No USB or other interfaces, just simple DC to DC regulator. I have looked at some SAE standards or EU EMC Directive/standards, but they are mostly for active devices. Will be

Re: Requirements for car power adapter

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Mark, You can find all EU automotive requirements here http://globalcompliance.blogspot.com Click on the link for Europe - Motor Vehicle Regulations Best Regards, Peter --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mark Gandler markgand...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Mark Gandler markgand...@hotmail.com

Re: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Does it matter for the discussion that: 1) Power is not present at the output of the source unless the other side of the cable connects to a PD (powered device) which signals to the sourcing equipment it is a PD and to turn it on. If you unplug the PD, the power goes off. 2) The power supply

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Let me share some of my thought process with you. Hazard based consideration and 60950 would suggest that if a power source (injector) can provide more than 15W, then a fire enclosure or other means of fire protection is necessary. Other means to prevent fire when a fire enclosure is not

FW: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Pat, LPS means limited power source per 60950 Clause 2.5; this is the basis of my question. Don 561 912 6440 From: pat.law...@slpower.com [mailto:pat.law...@slpower.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:14 PM To: Umbdenstock, Don Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: PoE injectors Hi Don,

RE: Requirements for car power adapter

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Mark, For North America, use UL 2089. http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/scopes/scopes.asp?fn=2089.html Best regards, Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my

China WEEE regulation

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
If anybody's interested, I have a translated copy of the Feb. 25, 2009 China WEEE regulation. I'd be happy to email it directly or post to the site of your choosing. Mike Mertinooke mertino...@skyskan.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion

Re: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 3/25/2009, Don Umbdenstock wrote: I have perused the IEEE 802.3af explanation on various web sites and examined supplier specs. I came to the conclusion that the injector should be LPS certified and marked as such. However, most of the injectors I have found by web search do not

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Don, Further to what Joe has stated below, according to IEC 60950-1 an ethernet interface circuit is generally characterized as an SELV circuit, but must also be considered a TNV-1 circuit if it is subject to overvoltages (atmospheric conditions). You might also want to read through CENELEC

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I understand that most typical circuits present less than 1k Ohm or upwards of Meg Ohm load, and that PoE PD circuits are unique in presenting 25k Ohm load. Am I correct that once the handshake establishes the 25k Ohm load, that the PSE continuously monitors the load? If for example a short

Re: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
A primary question in the US is: Does the circuit qualify as a Class 2 (or Class 3) circuit according to the National Electrical Code? (ref: NFPA 70 clause 725.121) If it fails to qualify, then wiring requirements become quite stringent. There are seven possibilities: a listed Class 2 transformer,

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I gave a presentation to the Santa Clara Valley chapter of the PSES in JUN2007 that has guidance on this topic. Find it at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r6/scv/pses/ieee_scv_pses_jun07.pdf (My follow-up presentation from FEB2008 is extraordinarily delinquent in being posted, due to s/w issues at

NSG 225

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi all Does anyone have a datasheet or manual for a Schaffner NSG 225 burst module I could have a copy of? Best regards Mr. Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Phone: +45 48 18 35 66 k...@bolls.dk www.bolls.dk - This message is from the

RE: PoE injectors

2009-03-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
My apologies for thinking out loud – if a PD can present up to a 13 W load, then the 25k handshake cannot be part of the load, but rather is restricted to a handshake circuit. So the question is whether there is a spec for current limiting for PSE? If a PSE is by definition current limited, and