Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Perkins
John, I agree with your comment in today's environment but the implementation of the required 'green' technology will require almost every household and commercial electrical product to run from a SMPS. (Well maybe a dumb toaster won't require it, but it could be designed to run on 230V a

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Perkins
Peter, You are absolutely correct in your description of the implementation of the combo power/USB outlet. The USB port is built in (actually 2 of them, and USB2 at that) but only one NEMA 15 outlet. And it is UL Listed (I wouldn't use it, of course, if it wasn't :>)) It is designed wit

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread John Allen
OTOH, I think the more general issue is all the other equipment (domestic appliances, etc.) which is not capable of operating on both voltage ranges - that could really be a safety issue in many cases. John Allen W. London, UK -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Tarver
> From: Pete Perkins > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 11:48 > > snip < > > I already have a mixed line voltage > and USB wallplate adaptor that is very handy. What voltages are mixed in your cover plate or are you referring only to line voltage and USB/SELV? Since small device SMPS for USB charging a

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread John Allen
OTOH, could be "very handy" in those countries which use US installation practice, but don't care too much for the "niceties" and it is common to use the NEMA 1-15P and 5-15P configurations for both 110-120 & 220-230V (I have heard that some parts of the Phillipines can be like that, although I ob

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Pete Perkins
Peter et al, The UL shown in Peter's email is split by a CR and there is a short segment on the next line which is not highlighted as part of the URL. I copied it entirely into my browser and went directly to the UL notice with the embedded pix. This scenario provides

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread John Allen
Peter Whilst the link to the UL press release works, the follow-on links to the actual photos do not appear to. John Allen W.London, UK. -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Peter Tarver Sent: 06 May 2013 17:56 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Tarver
John - I was able to find it in UL's public notices at http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/newsroom/publicnotices/detail/index.jsp ?cpath=/global/eng/pages/newsroom/publicnotices//detail/data/ul-warns-of-p otentially-hazardous-receptacle-release-13pn-05_2013043008.xml >From the photos, it loo

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread jral...@productsafetyinc.com
I couldn't follow the link Peter gave. I think the official UL Public Notice for the issue is below. The receptacle does not comply with UL's requirements and should not bear the UL mark. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/newsroom/publicnotices/detail/index.jsp?cpath=/global/eng/pages/newsr

Re: [PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
Not acceptable for most construction according to NEC, but I can think of one allowance per 70E. UL says that their mark is not authorized for this unit. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Peter Tarver Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:56 A

Re: [PSES] What agency/standards control medical device radio frequency immunity in the USA

2013-05-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
The FDA has specified IEC60601-1-2 and IEC60601-2-31 in various guidance docs; and the FCC has MEP limits that can be used 'base reference', but this is really for OSHA (29CFR1910) stuff. There are additional requirements in other product-specific standards. I do not have specific experience with

[PSES] UL warning regarding a wall receptacle

2013-05-06 Thread Peter Tarver
UL warning regarding a wall receptacle (socket outlet) http://www.nema.org/News/Pages/UL-Warns-of-Potentially-Hazardous-Receptacl e.aspx I'm not aware if mixing of voltages is allowed in a duplex receptacle (I suspect it is not, since wiring errors become more likely and segregation of wiring and