Re: [PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question

2018-11-16 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
riday James From: John Woodgate Sent: 15 November 2018 19:07 To: James Pawson (U3C) ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question There is no such thing as 'RMS power'. The product of RMS voltage and current which are in phase is average power. I

Re: [PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question

2018-11-15 Thread John Woodgate
Hello, Rich, I was trying to paraphrase the text in the standard to clarify, not correct, it.  Your proposal changes the time when the power is measured from after 30 s to before 30 s. That's quite a change. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleig

Re: [PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question

2018-11-15 Thread John Woodgate
There is no such thing as 'RMS power'. The product of RMS voltage and current which are in phase is average power. In IEC standards, voltages and currents are RMS, and powers are average, unless otherwise stated. The first dashed item is fairly well worded, The second and third are not well wo

Re: [PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question

2018-11-15 Thread Richard Nute
Hi James: You asked: 1. It would makes sense to me that these powers are defined as rms power. This would be the power that causes heating over time. For instance a GSM module that takes bursts of 10W for at a 1/8 duty cycle isn’t consuming 10W, rather 1.25W. The standard does no

[PSES] 62368-1 - Resistive PIS Question

2018-11-15 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hi folks, I seem to be more take than give at the moment, my apologies. IEC/EN 62368-1 classifies ignition hazards as a Potential Ignition Source (PIS) A resistive PIS is any part in a PS2 or PS3 circuit that: - dissipates more than 15 W measured after 30 s of normal operation; OR NOTE