Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
The EMC and LVD proposals refer to document 768/2008/EC which describes conformity assessment procedures... The famous A to H1 modules new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III) http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0765:FIN:EN:PDF new

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1afe4bc52a594a7f8820bd07b39e7...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: I may have missed something really big - probably English illiteracy. The two framework regs say stuff like manufacturers shall... You would need to cite

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA4891404C6@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Tue, 21 Feb 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: new EMCD proposal 2011/0351 (read article 14 and annex II and III)

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Thanks John for finding this little mistake: Corrected URL: new LVD proposal 2011/357 (read Annex III : module A is the only option left http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0773:FIN:EN:PDF Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-21 Thread Brian Oconnell
Thanks much. These links were avail via my OP. What I think the EMC proposal says - submit your docs to NB, and they evaluate company's reports. What the NBs have said to me - submit your product to me for test and approval and have the factory subject to CIG audit, because under NLF, we are

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
I concur that, for now, the principle that self declaration remains the basis of the system remains in place. How should the requirements for competence and accreditation be addressed? Conformity assessment requires: 1. Internal product control 2. Recurring product testing The presumption of

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-20 Thread Nick Williams
Brian, The answer to your second question is 'no'. With respect, you seem to have missed the point that the NLF has no direct bearing on manufacturers - it is a set of rules and principles for legislators, enforcement agencies and accreditation bodies. You can be forgiven for failing to

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-20 Thread Brian Oconnell
I may have missed something really big - probably English illiteracy. The two framework regs say stuff like manufacturers shall... So what other legislation allows me to ignore these regs? Are EU regs available in Klingon? I know this defies the law of gravity, but I never studied law. -- Bugs

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-18 Thread Brian Oconnell
Samuel, Definitely these are requirements for the RoHS/NLF stuff. Should probably be explicitly stated. But the 'periodic testing' is ill-defined, and explanations from NBs are much hand-waving. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-18 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Right, Self declaration remains the basis of the system, the responsibilities and accreditation requirements are for notified bodies called conformity assessment body Both EMC and LVD proposals state under point 6(16) and 17 (6/16) The manufacturer, having detailed knowledge of the design

[PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-17 Thread Brian Oconnell
reference this: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/regulatory-poli cies-common-rules-for-products/new-legislative-framework/ Doing some reading in prep for RoHS recast reporting. After reading the NLF regs (765/2008, 768/2008) and the proposals for LVD and EMCD recast,

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-17 Thread Samuel Lifshutz
Brian: The following is omitted from the summary: - Gather and evaluate recast RoHS compliance data - Assure Internal Production Control for recast RoHS - Perform periodic testing for compliance with recast RoHS - Assure non-compliant product are not placed on EU market starting 2013 Samuel

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-17 Thread Rick Linford
Hi Brian, I don't recall #10 Self declaration may no longer be possible for anything scoped by RoHS, LVD, and/or EMCD., being implied or suggested in anything crossing my disk so far. What sources might you have that may lead me to the same concern? Thanks Rick -Original Message-

Re: [PSES] EU NLF directives

2012-02-17 Thread Brian Oconnell
Rick, It would seem that the intent of this NLF stuff is to force CAB-issued test certs for all affected equipment. Read 2011/0351(COD) + 2011/0357(COD) and tell me what you think. Also, the framework regs indicate a level of competence, control, and accreditation that may not be possible through