Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-24 Thread Richard Nute
equ...@ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 10:49 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet In my opinion, board-mounted AC inlets are inadvisable at best. The problems extend to more than the risk of an open circuit during a ground fault. The AC in

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-24 Thread Pete Perkins
it used to be From: Ted Eckert <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 6:55 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet The rationale I remember learning is that the main grounding/earthing connection must be made

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-24 Thread John Allen
September 2019 14:55 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet The rationale I remember learning is that the main grounding/earthing connection must be made in a way such that any repairs would not need to disconnect that main grounding connection. Let me

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-24 Thread Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Pete Perkins Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 10:30 AM To: Ted Eckert ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet Ted et al. Since we’re

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-24 Thread Ted Eckert
; Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 9:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet Our safety regulators have insisted that power cord safety ground/earth go first to the metal chassis, with rare exceptions. Exception, the majority of chassis is plastic

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-23 Thread Bill Owsley
ay, September 23, 2019 4:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet   The question is how the cabinet is earthed if the PE wire goes to a terminal block. If  a wire comes out of the terminal block to a stud on the cabinet, that is less reliable

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-23 Thread Pete Perkins
tember 23, 2019 4:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet The question is how the cabinet is earthed if the PE wire goes to a terminal block. If a wire comes out of the terminal block to a stud on the cabinet, that is less reliable than a solid con

Re: [PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-23 Thread John Woodgate
The question is how the cabinet is earthed if the PE wire goes to a terminal block. If  a wire comes out of the terminal block to a stud on the cabinet, that is less reliable than a solid connection.  I suggest you take the advice. It doesn't apply if the 'terminal block' is  not an insulating

[PSES] Grounding of metal cabinet

2019-09-23 Thread Amund Westin
A flexible 1-phase AC cable is entering a metal cabinet and the PE-wire is directly connected to an Earth terminal block (green/yellow). Some years ago, a safety engineer told me that the earth wire should first be connected to a ground stud inside the cabinet via a lug terminal climp and fastened

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-19 Thread Steve Brody
IEEE Life Fellow > > p.perk...@ieee.org mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org > > > > Entropy ain’t what it used to be > > > > From: Nyffenegger, Dave > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:21 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Sub

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-19 Thread Pete Perkins
9 12:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding Steve, I don’t recall EN 60204-1 requiring a central earthing point, disallowing daisy chaining of the protective bonding circuit. My copy is with 2009 amendments. Is there a newer version with this requirement? NFP

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Grounding HI all, I have a client with whom I am having a discussion about grounding for an EN 60204-1 product. The product consists of 3 sub-modules all of which use mains power derived from

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Richard Nute
18, 2019 11:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Grounding HI all, I have a client with whom I am having a discussion about grounding for an EN 60204-1 product. The product consists of 3 sub-modules all of which use mains power derived from the first module where the

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread sgbrody
:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Steve Brody Cc: IEEE EMC PSTC Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding Steve,I agree, you need a positive bonding connection back tot he PE point.The WAGO terminal are excellent. They have some spectacular test videos on their web site showing the effects of overcurrent on their

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Douglas Nix
Steve, I agree, you need a positive bonding connection back tot he PE point. The WAGO terminal are excellent. They have some spectacular test videos on their web site showing the effects of overcurrent on their terminal blocks, and I have personally found them to be highly reliable in some dema

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Grasso, Charles Sent: 18 June 2019 19:49 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Grounding My 2c – You are correct (MOO). Thanks! Charles Grasso W: 303

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread John Woodgate
First, you have done the right thing by showing the requirement in the standard that supports your assertion. It's really difficult to argue against that. Second, I suggest you ask the manufacturers of the terminal block how they claim it meets the requirements of 60204-1. You may find that it

Re: [PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Grasso, Charles
My 2c – You are correct (MOO). Thanks! Charles Grasso W: 303-706-5467 From: Steve Brody [mailto:sgbr...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Grounding This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: owner-emc-p

[PSES] Grounding

2019-06-18 Thread Steve Brody
HI all, I have a client with whom I am having a discussion about grounding for an EN 60204-1 product. The product consists of 3 sub-modules all of which use mains power derived from the first module where the external mains comes into the unit. In the first module the ground from the branch

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-18 Thread Brian Gregory
solution. Look outside the box. Colorado Brian -- Original Message -- From: "Brian O'Connell" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:27:37 + Reference articles 250 and 690 of

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-16 Thread Boštjan Glavič
O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Also, should have noted to reference the NDs in UL62109-1, which further addresses below requirements, as stuff in North Am

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
-PDFs/SAV4704.pdf Brian -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:28 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Reference articles 250 and 690 of the NEC (NFPA70). Canad

Re: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-16 Thread Brian O'Connell
Reference articles 250 and 690 of the NEC (NFPA70). Canada and Mexico code similar. Brian From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 9:05 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter Dear experts, Is anyone

[PSES] grounding of output of solar inverter

2016-02-15 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Dear experts, Is anyone familiar with UL 1741? I am dealing with solar inverter for US market. Solar inverter can operate in utility interactive mode (feeding the grid) or in a standalone mode where only homeloads are supplied by inverter (anti-islanding relays are open, due to problems with t