Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-12 Thread Keith Hardin
Hello Neven, It is always interesting to read the SSCG posts. You never really know who is listening. Here are some comments on recent posts. To get the best correlation between a receiver in peak detector or QP mode set a spectrum analyzer RBW to 100kHz which is a 3dB bandwidth. The 120kHz

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Neven Pischl
I would like to thank sincerely to all who responded, I appreciate it. I am not going to react to any discussions on whether it is cheating or not :), it was not anywhere in my mind when I posted the question and I hope this topic does not degrade :).   But, I'd like to summarize a

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi Neven, I can also confirm that you should see a decrease in amplitude in peak mode for SS clocking. I use my simple handheld Thurlby Thander PSA2701T peak-reading spectrum analyzer to demo this during my EMC seminars. ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-10 Thread Bill Owsley
...@comcast.net Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question Hi Neven, I can also confirm that you should see a decrease in amplitude in peak mode for SS clocking. I use my simple handheld Thurlby Thander PSA2701T peak

[PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Neven Pischl
Hello, I wonder if anyone can help with a question I have on spread spectrum clock (SSC). I am trying to validate the effectiveness of a SSC chip to reduce emission. I measure with the peak detector. With the SSC enabled (up to 2.5% down-spread) I expect the level measured with a

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Ken Wyatt
Neven, Your suspicion regarding the modulating frequency is on the right track. Normally, the mod freq is set just above the audio range. There's something very wrong if the specs only allow 3 to 100 Hz. Is that a misprint perhaps? You should be able to see the spread harmonics easily at 120

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Ken Javor
-seminars.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:50:40 -0700 To: neve...@comcast.net Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question Neven, Your suspicion regarding the modulating frequency is on the right track. Normally, the mod freq is set just above the audio range

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread John Barnes
Neven, I've worked with the EMC Engineers at Lexmark who invented the spread-spectrum clock generator (SSCG), since before they started its development. I used SSCG in a number of products that I designed at Lexmark. Below is my understanding of how SSCG works, based on numerous discussions with

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Bill Owsley
-Spectrum Clock Question Neven, Your suspicion regarding the modulating frequency is on the right track. Normally, the mod freq is set just above the audio range. There's something very wrong if the specs only allow 3 to 100 Hz. Is that a misprint perhaps? You should be able to see the spread

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Bill Owsley
yeah! what John says. He now owns the consulting business started by Don Bush, and worked with all those guys long ago.| ps. I don't recall ever meeting John.  But I did work with the guys listed on the patent, when Lexmark was IBM. I recall the big surprise for me with this SSCG was we (Boca)

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Ken Javor
Why is a spread-spectrum clock cheating? If the measurement BW is an accurate portrayal of the victims protected by the levied requirement, and if the QP detector is an accurate assessment of the nuisance value of the interfering signal modulation, then why is spreading the spectrum over a range

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Bill Owsley
The common spreading freq at the time meant that the interference passed thru the sensitive band at a frequency higher than our human visual and auditory perceptions, (It could be detected by comparing side by side, two systems, one with and one without) but for those of us that opinionated

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Ed Price
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question yeah! what John says. He now owns the consulting business started by Don Bush, and worked with all those guys long ago.| ps. I don't recall ever meeting John. But I did work with the guys listed on the patent, when Lexmark was IBM. I

Re: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question

2012-02-09 Thread Bill Owsley
Probably explains why my wifi link is slower than advertised!!!  It is the error correction time... From: Ed Price edpr...@cox.net To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:29 AM Subject: RE: [PSES] Spread-Spectrum Clock Question And we’ve