RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-12 Thread Gary McInturff
61000-4-5 Surge lower levels David, Have been (still am) out of the office testing this week. I am sorry to say that I cannot provide hard data to support my comments. That experience was two lifetimes ago at a different employer. It happened on more than one product model and on more than

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Pommerenke, David
Dear Group, The physics of air discharge (= the reason for the variatins, the effect of humidity, speed of approach) is quite well explained in D. Pommerenke, 'ESD: Transient Fields, Arc Simulation and Rise Time Limit' , Journal of Electrostatics 1995 36 (1995), pp. 31 - 54 David Pommerenke

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Neil Helsby
Further to my earlier email. The ESD test that we were undertaking was on a digital device. The ESD was direct discharge and at the voltage level of failure, about 3 out or 10 discharges were failing. Since device operation was dependent upon the data being received, it was considered that

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Charles Grasso
...@naradnetworks.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:33:57 -0500 Dear Scott, (1) I have looked at quite a bit of literature that plots Failure propatibility vs. Stress level in contact mode like testing

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-11 Thread Pommerenke, David
] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 4:46 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels David, I disagree with you here. As others have said, I have seen numerous failures at less than the maximum required test voltage while the same system passes

Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-10 Thread Douglas C. Smith
Please respond to Pommerenke, David davi...@ece.umr.edu To: Neil Helsby nei...@solid-state-logic.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: kro...@yahoo.com (bcc: Don Borowski/SEL) Subject: RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels Dear Group, For most EUTs there is no need

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-10 Thread Scott Douglas
David, I disagree with you here. As others have said, I have seen numerous failures at less than the maximum required test voltage while the same system passes at the max required voltage. It seems to me the intent was / is / should be to verify product performance up to a maximum level, not

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-10 Thread Don_Borowski
: kro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels I think there are two points here. 1) If you believe that in the environment in which it will be used, your product may be subject to levels in excess of that defined in the standard, you must test to that higher

RE: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-10 Thread Pommerenke, David
: kro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels I think there are two points here. 1) If you believe that in the environment in which it will be used, your product may be subject to levels in excess of that defined in the standard, you must test

Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-10 Thread Neil Helsby
I think there are two points here. 1) If you believe that in the environment in which it will be used, your product may be subject to levels in excess of that defined in the standard, you must test to that higher level. 2) Yes, failures can occur at mid range levels. We have just recently

Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-08 Thread CherryClough
The EMCTLA's Technical Guidance Note No 39 may be relevant here. These TGNs are guidance to UK test labs on how to apply the EMC directive and EMC test standards. You can get to TGN #39 via www.emctla.org. If it doesn't answer your question completely, send an email to the EMCTLA's

Re: IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-08 Thread Lfresearch
In a message dated 6/7/2002 5:01:43 PM Central Daylight Time, kro...@yahoo.com writes: If the EN 55024 calls for 1,2 kV for surge on the AC, does this mean we have to repeat the test @ .5, 1kV too? For ESD, 8 air, 4 cont should really be 8,6,4,2 air and 4,2,1 cont?? This is indeed the

IEC 61000-4-2 ESD 61000-4-5 Surge lower levels

2002-06-07 Thread w w
Hello all, I'm confused. When preparing an EMC test plan for CE requirements I've been told to narrow in on Generic or Product Standards (which ever is more applicable) to help demonstrate compliance. For example, if testing to EN 55024 ITE immunity, the standard calls for various IEC Basic