RE: [PSES] EMC Performance Changing With Age Of Product

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ops – should be cheapo depo, not cheapo dopeJ From: Dward [mailto:dw...@atcb.com] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 2:55 PM To: 'k...@earthlink.net'; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] EMC Performance Changing With Age Of Product Seems to be the old scenario of: 1 – know exactly

RE: [PSES] EMC Performance Changing With Age Of Product

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Seems to be the old scenario of: 1 – know exactly what your device does, test it till it breaks, find out just what it can do and can’t do – expensive – but you end up with a superior product far above the average – a rock solid device. 2 – assume your product is OK, but test just a little more t

Re: [PSES] EMC Performance Changing With Age Of Product

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Tuppence from my corner... Once upon at time at Wang Labs, we noticed emissions performance improved after transportation vibe tests. I attributed this to having scraped surface oxidation off mating surfaces of shielding chassis'. A reasonable inference could be made that over time oxides might bu

Re: [PSES] USB grounding question

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
COTS equipment is not likely to work just out of the box. Significant additions and re-work will be needed to meet MIL-SPEC. or find a purpose built PC for that environment. It would be about 10x the $ of COTS gear. Just because they can get it. - Bill In the event of a national emergency,

Re: [PSES] USB grounding question

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In this application, the PC has to meet an RE limit which is numerically tighter than CISPR, plus the limit has to be met at one meter, not three meters. I am thinking that in order to meet the mil RE limit, it may be necessary to apply mil tactics, such as low impedance, not low resistance, bonds

Re: standards-receptive ?

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:04:37 -0700, "Brian O'Connell" wrote: > what is a "standards-receptive" directive ? I guess what you mentioned is the directives for which harmonised standards will be used for presumption of conformity. In the following pages, six directives other than the new approach

Re: standards-receptive ?

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <01cb0f3a$a0dd5250$d600a...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Fri, 18 Jun 2010, Brian O'Connell writes: >what is a "standards-receptive" directive ? Please give more context. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] USB grounding question

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The USB connector is small and uses relatively thin gauge metal, so you can't get values as low as for large braid shields or other more massive grounds. Tens of milliohms is certainly adequate from an EMI standpoint. Really low ground impedances are required when there are lightning requirements

USB grounding question

2010-06-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Was doing some troubleshooting on a PC with a metal case and found the USB shells had bonds to case ground on the order of several tens of milliohms. Is this common practice? I was looking for single digit milliohm values indicative of a faying surface type bond. Application was a militarized PC.