Re: [PSES] New EU Directives
Thanks! What is the major impact on own brand labelers? Regards, Scott On 6/6/14 5:53 am, T.Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp wrote: On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:49:58 +0800, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any reason behind to have LVD, EMC and RTTE directives updated in similar time? To align them with NLF, all the new approach directives which were not aligned with NLF were/will be updated even if no other changes were necessary. For some directives such as RTTED (RED), other significant changes were also made. NLF itself have big impact, and I guess own brand labelers who supplied completed product from OEMs may have hard time. Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] New EU Directives
Yes, we need to study the new RED and its impact. Thanks and regards, Scott On 6/6/14 1:27 am, John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk wrote: In message cfb6c0b6.1eed7%scott...@gmail.com, dated Fri, 6 Jun 2014, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Is there any reason behind to have LVD, EMC and RTTE directives updated in similar time? On RTTE, the changes are quite significant. There are more than those being updated. This is for complicated legal reasons, and in some cases the Commission has found that the Directives were not effective in keeping non-compliant products out of the EU. But the change to the RTTED is special. Its scope was found to need revising because it included some products that it shouldn't, but excluded some products, such as broadcast receivers, that it should include. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] New EU Directives
In message cfb7fd26.1eefe%scott...@gmail.com, dated Fri, 6 Jun 2014, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com writes: Thanks! What is the major impact on own brand labelers? Either the original manufacturer's name and address must be on the product label or the own-brand company has to accept the full responsibility as if it were the manufacturer (at least, I think that would work, but it's not very clear). In either case, its name and address must also be on the product label. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729
Hi! For EN55032:2012, stand alone monitors must be emissions tested with a standard television colour bar signal according to ITU-R BT 1729 with an additional small moving element. This signal is defined in ITU-R BT.1729 http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.1729-0-200504-I%21%21PDF-E.pdfwhich gives a digital television reference test pattern. Does anyone have a source for a software routine that puts out the reference test pattern? Ideally, I would like the reference test pattern software with compiled executable files to support testing with each of the major operating systems like Windows, Solaris, and Linux. Thanks. Monrad Monsen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729
Mr. Tom Sato has some of the bouncing ball stuff source published on his web site. And have seen other sites with 1729 stuff. Brian From: monrad monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729 Hi! For EN55032:2012, stand alone monitors must be emissions tested with a standard television colour bar signal according to ITU-R BT 1729 with an additional small moving element. This signal is defined in ITU-R BT.1729 which gives a digital television reference test pattern. Does anyone have a source for a software routine that puts out the reference test pattern? Ideally, I would like the reference test pattern software with compiled executable files to support testing with each of the major operating systems like Windows, Solaris, and Linux. Thanks. Monrad Monsen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
Hi Tom, I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? ** BOUNCING BALL: I couldn't find anything in the standard that mentions a bouncing ball, but I like the feature and one could argue that this might catch some problems missed without it. ** ZONE 12 MOVING BAR: Page 6 of the standard states that Zone 12 contains a bar which moves horizontally from left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? I am definitely looking for something I can use to test monitors for CISPR32 using the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. For all, the ITU-R BT.1729 standard is available online for free at: http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.1729-0-200504-I!!PDF-E.pdf Thanks. Monrad http://www.oracle.com On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729
Here is the link to Tom Sato's site. http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html This email message and attachments may contain confidential and proprietary information. Any unauthorized use is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message and attachments. -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 12:02 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729 Mr. Tom Sato has some of the bouncing ball stuff source published on his web site. And have seen other sites with 1729 stuff. Brian From: monrad monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN55032 and the Digital Television/Monitor Reference Test Pattern of ITU-R BT.1729 Hi! For EN55032:2012, stand alone monitors must be emissions tested with a standard television colour bar signal according to ITU-R BT 1729 with an additional small moving element. This signal is defined in ITU-R BT.1729 which gives a digital television reference test pattern. Does anyone have a source for a software routine that puts out the reference test pattern? Ideally, I would like the reference test pattern software with compiled executable files to support testing with each of the major operating systems like Windows, Solaris, and Linux. Thanks. Monrad Monsen - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
CISPR 32 requires the color bars with a moving element. What that moving element is isn't nailed down in the standard. The reason for the moving element is that we (CISPR SC I) are trying to harmonize CISPR 32 (emissions) and CISPR 35 (immunity) to the maximum extent possible. You need a moving element for immunity so you know that the image is no longer being updated if you fail an immunity test. A static image would not give you that information. Ghery S. Pettit From: monrad monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 12:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729) Hi Tom, I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? ** BOUNCING BALL: I couldn't find anything in the standard that mentions a bouncing ball, but I like the feature and one could argue that this might catch some problems missed without it. ** ZONE 12 MOVING BAR: Page 6 of the standard states that Zone 12 contains a bar which moves horizontally from left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? I am definitely looking for something I can use to test monitors for CISPR32 using the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. For all, the ITU-R BT.1729 standard is available online for free at: http://www.itu.int/dms_pubrec/itu-r/rec/bt/R-REC-BT.1729-0-200504-I!!PDF-E.pdf Thanks. Monrad On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] New EU Directives
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 23:20:06 +0800, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! What is the major impact on own brand labelers? NLF directives such as 2014/30/EU defines manufacturer as any natural or legal person who manufactures apparatus or **has apparatus designed or manufactured, and markets that apparatus under his name or trade mark** ; The new Blue Guide has some additional explanation on this: The manufacturer may design and manufacture the product himself. As an alternative, he may have it designed, manufactured, assembled, packed, processed or labelled with a view to placing it on the market under his own name or trademark, and thus presenting himself as a manufacturer (footnote 78). ... (footnote 78) Those manufacturers are often referred to as 'own brand labellers' or 'private labellers'. So, I think they will be required to take all the responsibility as the manufacturer. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CISPR 32, colour bar with moving element (ITU-R BT.1729)
On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:03:18 -0600, monrad monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.com wrote: I just found your posting of the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern. This is great! Does this fully implement the ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar test pattern? No, as I wrote These colorbars (test patterns) were derived from ITU-R BT.1729, but they are not accurate. in the BUGS section of the page. Especially, frequency and waveform of color sweeps are incorrect. left to right and then starts again from the left. This is used for checking audio-video synchronization and to establish that the channel is active. The bar travels horizontally across its zone in 1 s. The audio sync signal is given when the bar passes the centreline. There is more description to the zone 12 in the standard, but the above quote is sufficient to say that I don't see anything moving in zone 12 of your application. Do you have plans to fix the zone 12? No at least at this time, and I thought this Zone 12 is not important for CISPR 32/35, as we usually use 1 kHz monotone audio signal and will not check audio-video sync. However, I would appreciate if someone can help improve this test program, expecially those test patterns. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ On 4/5/2014 1:51 AM, T.Sato wrote: Hello, We used to use scrolling-Hs test pattern for CISPR 22 and ANSI C63.4, but CISPR 32 requires ITU-R BT.1729 colour bar with small moving element for computer displays and similar devices. Now, I made web pages which will display the test pattern on web browsers. If you are interested, please try it, at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/scrolling-h/colorbar.html Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Review: Keith Armstrong's EMC Design Techniques
Hi All, I just reviewed Keith Armstrong's wonderfully practical book, EMC Design Techniques for Electronic Engineers. While light on really deep theory, he provides just the right amount for good understanding sufficient to understand how to design products for EMC compliance. Highly recommended. By the way, Keith will be presenting as part of our EMC Consultants Toolkit during the Friday morning workshops at the IEEE EMC Symposium. http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4430364/Review--EMC-Design-Techniques---Armstrong Cheers, Ken ___ Kenneth Wyatt Wyatt Technical Services LLC 56 Aspen Dr. Woodland Park, CO Phone: (719) 310-5418 Email Me! | Web Site | Blog The EMC Blog (EDN) Subscribe to Newsletter Connect with me on LinkedIn - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] Thru insulation requirements
PSNEtters, Solid insulation requirements are not new; IEC 60664, among other standards, has dealt with this for some time. IEC 61010 (and its variants) have introduced solid insulation requirements in the 3rd Ed of the standard. Has this change resulted in published papers that you know of discussing these requirements? If you know of any, a reference would be appreciated. If the article is not readily available on the web, perhaps folks would be willing to share ti in some way. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Thru insulation requirements
Mr. Perkins, Am not certain if you are looking for stuff to support standards development, or theoretical stuff to support a paper. But here is what this little redneck mind is aware of: http://www.usbr.gov/power/data/fist/fist3_1/vol3-1.pdf (the original was useful when started on MV and HV transformers) https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/Home/Category/cat_29.080.01 (they are always doing something weird) ASTM has published books on dielectrics and solid insulation construction, test, and theory; and remember some IEEE books (probably by Wiley) on electrical insulation. But have not really seen any compelling research papers or tomes on electrical insulation since the Klaus Stimper std/book was read. Now I have become curious if there is any significant new stuff on the subject... Brian -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:15 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Thru insulation requirements PSNEtters, Solid insulation requirements are not new; IEC 60664, among other standards, has dealt with this for some time. IEC 61010 (and its variants) have introduced solid insulation requirements in the 3rd Ed of the standard. Has this change resulted in published papers that you know of discussing these requirements? If you know of any, a reference would be appreciated. If the article is not readily available on the web, perhaps folks would be willing to share ti in some way. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] New EU Directives
The NLF requires the importer and/or manufacturer name and address on the product. It is effective for the market surveillance to track the responsible party rather than previous trade name/mark that must be registered in EU. In terms of responsibility, the local importer still holds the legal responsibility as before. I am in doubt that the market surveillance will trace the manufactures who most are located in Far East or overseas. Regards, Scott On 7/6/14 6:08 am, T.Sato vef00...@nifty.ne.jp wrote: On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 23:20:06 +0800, Scott Xe scott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! What is the major impact on own brand labelers? NLF directives such as 2014/30/EU defines manufacturer as any natural or legal person who manufactures apparatus or **has apparatus designed or manufactured, and markets that apparatus under his name or trade mark** ; The new Blue Guide has some additional explanation on this: The manufacturer may design and manufacture the product himself. As an alternative, he may have it designed, manufactured, assembled, packed, processed or labelled with a view to placing it on the market under his own name or trademark, and thus presenting himself as a manufacturer (footnote 78). ... (footnote 78) Those manufacturers are often referred to as 'own brand labellers' or 'private labellers'. So, I think they will be required to take all the responsibility as the manufacturer. Regards, Tom - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
