RE: EN standard for pacemaker immunity

2000-03-20 Thread WOODS

Only part 1 of EN45502-1 has been published according to the CENELEC site.
The standard says it supports the essential requirements of Directive
90/385/EEC. As Ned indicated, several other parts are to be published and
will contain the particulars for various types of devices. It may well be
that this more encompassing series will supercede EN 50061.

Clause 27.1 provides a very high level requirement of no harm caused by
external EMF.  A note says As a first guide, consider a magnetic field
intensity of 150A/m falling inversely with frequency above 100 kHz to a
maximum test frequency of 30 MHz. The electric field need not be
investigated.

Richard Woods

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From:  Ned Devine [SMTP:ndev...@entela.com]
Sent:  Monday, March 20, 2000 2:29 PM
To:  'plaw...@west.net'; EMC-PSTC
Subject:  RE: EN standard for pacemaker immunity


Hi,

A couple of comments on the pacemaker standards.

1.  Under the AMID, you must involve a Notified Body.  The only
reasonable route to the CE marking is Annex 2 (full QA) and
submittal of the
Design Dossier.

2.  All accessories to a AIMD (i.e. programmers) are also under
the
scope of the AIMD.

3.  Its been a while since I looked, but I think the correct
standard is
EN 45502-1.  There are a number of part 2's.  I am not sure if they
have
been released.  

4.  Standards are not that important.  Because you have to use a
NB for
Annex 2 and submittal of the Design Dossier.  The NB will tell you
what they
want to see.  

Ned Devine
Entela, Inc.
Program Manager III
Phone 616 248 9671
Fax  616 574 9752
e-mail  ndev...@entela.com 





-Original Message-
From: plaw...@west.net [mailto:plaw...@west.net]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:46 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: EN standard for pacemaker immunity



As an excerise, I tried to find the directive that this standard was
harmonized under.
I looked on the Europa site under the EMC, Medical Device, and
Active
Implantable Medical Device directives to no avail.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist.html

Is this standard still pending for the EU?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:53:01 -0500, wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
Mike, A1:1996 of EN50061:1995 has the EMC requirements for
implantable
cardiac pacemakers.
It can be ordered on the web from BSI.
 
Richard Woods
Sunning in Florida 

   --
   From:  Michael Taylor [SMTP:mtay...@hach.com]
   Sent:  Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:19 AM
   To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
   Subject:  EN standard for pacemaker immunity


   Greetings all.
   An issue came up that needs answers as soon as possible.
Does
anyone in the
   group know if there are any European standards covering
pacemaker
(and
   similar devices) immunity to Electric  Magnetic fields.  A
search
of Global
   Eng. Documents product list proved fruitless.  I'm sure
there is
someone in
   the group that has the answer.

   I will be most grateful for any answers or leads on this
issue.

   Best regards.
   Michael Taylor
   Snowed-in,  in Colorado.


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RE: EN standard for pacemaker immunity

2000-03-20 Thread Ned Devine

Hi,

A couple of comments on the pacemaker standards.

1.  Under the AMID, you must involve a Notified Body.  The only
reasonable route to the CE marking is Annex 2 (full QA) and submittal of the
Design Dossier.

2.  All accessories to a AIMD (i.e. programmers) are also under the
scope of the AIMD.

3.  Its been a while since I looked, but I think the correct standard is
EN 45502-1.  There are a number of part 2's.  I am not sure if they have
been released.  

4.  Standards are not that important.  Because you have to use a NB for
Annex 2 and submittal of the Design Dossier.  The NB will tell you what they
want to see.  

Ned Devine
Entela, Inc.
Program Manager III
Phone 616 248 9671
Fax  616 574 9752
e-mail  ndev...@entela.com 





-Original Message-
From: plaw...@west.net [mailto:plaw...@west.net]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:46 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: EN standard for pacemaker immunity



As an excerise, I tried to find the directive that this standard was
harmonized under.
I looked on the Europa site under the EMC, Medical Device, and Active
Implantable Medical Device directives to no avail.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist.html

Is this standard still pending for the EU?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:53:01 -0500, wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
Mike, A1:1996 of EN50061:1995 has the EMC requirements for implantable
cardiac pacemakers.
It can be ordered on the web from BSI.
 
Richard Woods
Sunning in Florida 

   --
   From:  Michael Taylor [SMTP:mtay...@hach.com]
   Sent:  Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:19 AM
   To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
   Subject:  EN standard for pacemaker immunity


   Greetings all.
   An issue came up that needs answers as soon as possible.  Does
anyone in the
   group know if there are any European standards covering pacemaker
(and
   similar devices) immunity to Electric  Magnetic fields.  A search
of Global
   Eng. Documents product list proved fruitless.  I'm sure there is
someone in
   the group that has the answer.

   I will be most grateful for any answers or leads on this issue.

   Best regards.
   Michael Taylor
   Snowed-in,  in Colorado.


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RE: EN standard for pacemaker immunity

2000-03-20 Thread WOODS

The CENELC site, http://www.cenelec.be/ http://www.cenelec.be/ , also
shows that the standard has not been published in the OJ.

Richard Woods

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From:  plaw...@west.net [SMTP:plaw...@west.net]
Sent:  Monday, March 20, 2000 12:46 PM
To:  EMC-PSTC
Subject:  Re: EN standard for pacemaker immunity


As an excerise, I tried to find the directive that this standard was
harmonized under.
I looked on the Europa site under the EMC, Medical Device, and
Active
Implantable Medical Device directives to no avail.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist.html

Is this standard still pending for the EU?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:53:01 -0500, wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
Mike, A1:1996 of EN50061:1995 has the EMC requirements for
implantable
cardiac pacemakers.
It can be ordered on the web from BSI.
 
Richard Woods
Sunning in Florida 

   --
   From:  Michael Taylor [SMTP:mtay...@hach.com]
   Sent:  Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:19 AM
   To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
   Subject:  EN standard for pacemaker immunity


   Greetings all.
   An issue came up that needs answers as soon as possible.
Does
anyone in the
   group know if there are any European standards covering
pacemaker
(and
   similar devices) immunity to Electric  Magnetic fields.  A
search
of Global
   Eng. Documents product list proved fruitless.  I'm sure
there is
someone in
   the group that has the answer.

   I will be most grateful for any answers or leads on this
issue.

   Best regards.
   Michael Taylor
   Snowed-in,  in Colorado.


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Re: EN standard for pacemaker immunity

2000-03-20 Thread Patrick Lawler

As an excerise, I tried to find the directive that this standard was
harmonized under.
I looked on the Europa site under the EMC, Medical Device, and Active
Implantable Medical Device directives to no avail.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist.html

Is this standard still pending for the EU?

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:53:01 -0500, wo...@sensormatic.com wrote:
Mike, A1:1996 of EN50061:1995 has the EMC requirements for implantable
cardiac pacemakers.
It can be ordered on the web from BSI.
 
Richard Woods
Sunning in Florida 

   --
   From:  Michael Taylor [SMTP:mtay...@hach.com]
   Sent:  Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:19 AM
   To:  emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
   Subject:  EN standard for pacemaker immunity


   Greetings all.
   An issue came up that needs answers as soon as possible.  Does
anyone in the
   group know if there are any European standards covering pacemaker
(and
   similar devices) immunity to Electric  Magnetic fields.  A search
of Global
   Eng. Documents product list proved fruitless.  I'm sure there is
someone in
   the group that has the answer.

   I will be most grateful for any answers or leads on this issue.

   Best regards.
   Michael Taylor
   Snowed-in,  in Colorado.


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RE: Dithered clocks and EMC - BEWARE

2000-03-20 Thread Lacey,Scott

Paolo,
Thank you for the information. I suspect that you are correct as to
the critical nature of the frequency modulation method. The design engineer
picked the device, probably as the cheapest vendor. The device did not
behave as I expected, based on some Internet research of dithered clock
technology. We were very pressed for time, but I hope someday to spend some
more looking at this technology. Perhaps my experience explains the digital
TV set interference, since all such devices are obviously not the same.

Scott Lacey

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To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:RE: Dithered clocks and EMC - BEWARE


I have a very succesfull experience with SSCG (Spread Spectrum Clock
Generation) that  is  a  patented  technology  used  to  intentionally
spread the energy of oscillators  and  clock signals and any signal derived
from the clock. I am sure Keith Hardin knows it first-hand because he is one
of the developers !  We  have  been  using  an SSCG chip since 1995 on most
of the electronics of our printers  -  most  of  them  class B devices, with
oscillator frequencies in the range  24  -  32  MHz.   We   even managed to
get significant cost reductions by switching from 4-layer to 2-layer boards
and still passing CISPR22 and FCC class B limits for radiated emissions.
One  point  that  seems  not  to  have come up in this discussion is
the kind of dithering we are talking about.
In SSCG the main clock frequency is modulated, but just ANY
frequency modulation is  not  enough  ! Key is the wave-shape of the
modulating function, and that is the  crucial  point  in  the  SSCG  patent
(Keith, correct me if I'm wrong). The trick  is  to  maximize  the  rate
of change of the function representing the frequency  modulation,  so  that
the  oscillator spends the minimum time on any given  frequency  within the
modulating range, thus avoiding additional peaks in the  emission  spectrum.
The modulating function in the SSCG technique does just that.
This is best explained in the first (to my knowledge) publication on
the subject (here, too, Keith knows much more !!) :
K.B.Hardin,  J.T.Fessler,  D.R.Bush  (Lexmark  Intl.):  Spread
Spectrum  Clock Generation  for  the  Reduction  of  Radiated  Emissions
-   1994  IEEE Intl.  Symposium on EMC, August 1994 Chicago (Symposium
Record page 227)
I  suspect  an explanation to Scott's problem may be that he didn't
use the SSCG technique  but  another form of  dithering that was not
controlled in such a way as  to  get  the  flat  frequency distribution that
you get with SSCG.  Also the amount  of  frequency  deviation  can  be
important. The attenuation you get in quasi-peak  (QP)  readings  is
dependent on that. I hope Scott can give us more details.
As  to  the  problems with digital TV, I honestly don't have any
knowledge about that,  but  I  remember  the  same inventors of SSCG did a
study on interference potential of this technique :
K.B.Hardin,   J.T.Fessler,   D.R.Bush   (Lexmark  Intl.): A
Study  of  the Interference  Potential  of  Spread Spectrum Clock Generation
Techniques - 1995 IEEE Intl. Symposium on EMC Atlanta ( Symposium Record
page 624).
Hope this helps.
Paolo Roncone
Compuprint s.p.a. - Italy



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Test for edge sharpness

2000-03-20 Thread WOODS

Is there an EN or IEC standard for testing sharpness of edges similar to UL
1439, Tests for Sharpness of Edges on Equipment?

Richard Woods

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Re: Appliance Inlet Integral to Power Cord

2000-03-20 Thread teckert


I have had products with this type of construction.  I have products with
IEC-320-C14 inlet molded power cords that I have sent through VDE for IEC
60950 / EN 60950 approval and I have not had any compliance issues.  I have
also owned a number of UL /CSA approved computer monitors with this
construction.

1.  Does anyone have a problem with this construction?  Customers may find
this inconvenient and most devices use the panel mounted inlets rather than
the cord mounted inlets.  However, this is just a customer acceptance
issue, not a regulatory issue.

2.  Does IEC 60950 / UL 1950 prohibit this construction?  No.  This
construction is acceptable.

3.  Has anyone approved a unit having the above described construction?
Yes.  I have had UL, CSA and VDE accept this construction.


Ted Eckert
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
American Power Conversion Corporation
teck...@apcc.com

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Please respond to pmerguer...@itl.co.il (Peter Merguerian)

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From: pmerguer...@itl.co.il (Peter Merguerian)  on 03/20/2000 08:07 AM
Subject:  Appliance Inlet Integral to Power Cord





Dear All,

I have an ITE product with a power cord terminated at the end with a
molded-on IEC320 inlet (similar to an inlet used on an appliance but this
one is terminated at the end of the cord). This inlet is used to mate with
a detachable cord set in the field.

Q. Does any one have a problem with this construction? My concern is that
being on the floor, the and its connections might be subjected to abuse.

Q. I was unable to find a clause in IEC950/UL1950 which does not allow this
type of construction. It may be part of the national witing rules (such as
the US/Candian NEC/CEC) but I have not done a research yet.

Q. Has anyone Approved a unit having the above described construction?

Thanks and Best Regards
Peter Merguerian
Managing Director
Product Testing Division
I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.
Hacharoshet 26, POB 211
Or Yehuda 60251, Israel

Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019
e-mail: pmerguer...@itl.co.il
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Re: CB SCHEME

2000-03-20 Thread Art Michael

Hello Mr. Nakamura,

The CB-Scheme in an international scheme, under the auspices of the IEC,
which provides a means for acceptance of test-data (and reports - in some
cases) between the testing  certification agencies of 30+ countries.
There is no direct relationship to LVD and EMC directives although
products which fall under the LVD may be served by the CB-Scheme.

The main website is at www.cbscheme.org 

Regards, Art Michael

Int'l Product Safety News
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 jakam...@naka.melco.co.jp wrote:

 
 Dear All,
 What is CB SCHEME?
 and
 the relation to the LVD and EMC?
 
 Thank you in advance,
 Jun Nakamura
 
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Appliance Inlet Integral to Power Cord

2000-03-20 Thread Peter Merguerian

Dear All,

I have an ITE product with a power cord terminated at the end with a
molded-on IEC320 inlet (similar to an inlet used on an appliance but this
one is terminated at the end of the cord). This inlet is used to mate with
a detachable cord set in the field.

Q. Does any one have a problem with this construction? My concern is that
being on the floor, the and its connections might be subjected to abuse.

Q. I was unable to find a clause in IEC950/UL1950 which does not allow this
type of construction. It may be part of the national witing rules (such as
the US/Candian NEC/CEC) but I have not done a research yet.

Q. Has anyone Approved a unit having the above described construction?

Thanks and Best Regards
Peter Merguerian
Managing Director
Product Testing Division
I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd.
Hacharoshet 26, POB 211
Or Yehuda 60251, Israel

Tel: 972-3-5339022 Fax: 972-3-5339019
e-mail: pmerguer...@itl.co.il
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Re: CB SCHEME

2000-03-20 Thread georgea

Dear Nakamura-san;

The best explanation of the CB Scheme is at www.cbscheme.org .

It is a global reciprocity agreement dealing with IEC 60950 for the
safety of ITE products.  If one CB (certification body) generates a
CB test report for a product, all other members are to accept the
test results unless they discover an error in the report.

Testing to IEC 60950, plus any country differences, is one of several
ways to show conformity to the LVD.  It has nothing to do with the EMC
Directive.

Regards,

George Alspaugh




jakamura%naka.melco.co...@interlock.lexmark.com on 03/20/2000 07:20:47 AM

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Dear All,
What is CB SCHEME?
and
the relation to the LVD and EMC?

Thank you in advance,
Jun Nakamura





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CB SCHEME

2000-03-20 Thread jakamura

Dear All,
What is CB SCHEME?
and
the relation to the LVD and EMC?

Thank you in advance,
Jun Nakamura

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RE: Dithered clocks and EMC - BEWARE

2000-03-20 Thread Paolo . Roncone



I have a very succesfull experience with SSCG (Spread Spectrum Clock Generation)
that  is  a  patented  technology  used  to  intentionally  spread the energy of
oscillators  and  clock signals and any signal derived from the clock. I am sure
Keith Hardin knows it first-hand because he is one of the developers !
We  have  been  using  an SSCG chip since 1995 on most of the electronics of our
printers  -  most  of  them  class B devices, with oscillator frequencies in the
range  24  -  32  MHz.   We   even managed to get significant cost reductions by
switching from 4-layer to 2-layer boards and still passing CISPR22 and FCC class
B limits for radiated emissions.

One  point  that  seems  not  to  have come up in this discussion is the kind of
dithering we are talking about.
In SSCG the main clock frequency is modulated, but just ANY frequency modulation
is  not  enough  ! Key is the wave-shape of the modulating function, and that is
the  crucial  point  in  the  SSCG  patent (Keith, correct me if I'm wrong). The
trick  is  to  maximize  the  rate  of change of the function representing the
frequency  modulation,  so  that  the  oscillator spends the minimum time on any
given  frequency  within the modulating range, thus avoiding additional peaks in
the  emission  spectrum. The modulating function in the SSCG technique does just
that.
This is best explained in the first (to my knowledge) publication on the subject
(here, too, Keith knows much more !!) :

K.B.Hardin,  J.T.Fessler,  D.R.Bush  (Lexmark  Intl.):  Spread  Spectrum  Clock
Generation  for  the  Reduction  of  Radiated  Emissions   -   1994  IEEE Intl.
Symposium on EMC, August 1994 Chicago (Symposium Record page 227)

I  suspect  an explanation to Scott's problem may be that he didn't use the SSCG
technique  but  another form of  dithering that was not controlled in such a way
as  to  get  the  flat  frequency distribution that you get with SSCG.  Also the
amount  of  frequency  deviation  can  be  important. The attenuation you get in
quasi-peak  (QP)  readings  is  dependent on that. I hope Scott can give us more
details.

As  to  the  problems with digital TV, I honestly don't have any knowledge about
that,  but  I  remember  the  same inventors of SSCG did a study on interference
potential of this technique :

K.B.Hardin,   J.T.Fessler,   D.R.Bush   (Lexmark  Intl.): A  Study  of  the
Interference  Potential  of  Spread Spectrum Clock Generation Techniques - 1995
IEEE Intl. Symposium on EMC Atlanta ( Symposium Record page 624).

Hope this helps.

Paolo Roncone
Compuprint s.p.a. - Italy



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RE: European EPA

2000-03-20 Thread Andrew Wood

 Peter,
   Each country will have its own national body, here in the UK it is
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 http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/
 
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Unusual System Glitchs

2000-03-20 Thread Douglas C. Smith

Hi All,

We discussed at some length jingling change ESD and its
relation to system operation some time ago. Along that
line of unusual sources of system upset is multiple (up
to hundreds) of ESD events in cushions of office chairs
in the minute after a person rises from some chairs. The
energy is radiated from metal legs and has wreaked havoc
with many electronic systems, including those upon which
human lives depend.

I posted over the weekend my EOS/ESD Symposium paper titled
A New Type of Furniture ESD and Its Implications which
describes events of this type. The paper was awarded the
New Phenomena award by the Symposium in 1993, the year
it was published.

You can see the paper at www.dsmith.org. Page down to
Technical Information and Downloads and a link to the PDF
file is listed in that section.

The only evidence the events are happening is the EM fields
radiated from the chair. The events are hidden inside the
chair and not obvious to the person in the chair.

I would be interested in hearing other stories from the group
on system upsets caused by unusual immunity problems.

Doug

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