The Trouble with Convention, The Final Chapter

2001-10-29 Thread Ken Javor
In the face of all the responses I and others gave last week showing the MATHEMATICAL RULES for calculating logarithms and average and peak power, and the rationale and math behind pulse desensitization calculations, apparently it is still not clear that power is averaged, not potential. In the

Re: Keep off the grass: RF emissions!

2001-10-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Massimo Polignano wrote (in ) about 'Keep off the grass: RF emissions!', on Mon, 29 Oct 2001: >Is there any applicable product standard dealing with EMC and safety of >that kind of devices? In Europe, the Generic EMC Standards would apply plus whatever ETSI standards co

Re: IEC 60950-1 released

2001-10-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that David Heald wrote (in <3bdd7a08.5c37a...@mediaone.net>) about 'IEC 60950-1 released', on Mon, 29 Oct 2001: >Is this equivalent to UL 60950? If so, the differences may be >substantial. Not precisely equivalent, AFAIK. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.

Re: Low Frequency Conducted Immunity....

2001-10-29 Thread Ken Javor
More info needed on type of power supply or whether unit simply runs off 12 Vdc. A power converter will definitely do the trick, but obviously is not a solution unless it is already part of the EUT. -- >From: scott@jci.com >To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: Low Frequency Cond

RE: EMI filter hazards

2001-10-29 Thread DUFFY,RON (A-ColSprings,ex1)
Hi Other Folks, Read Case Study Building a Bridge Between Product Safety and EMC, January/February 2001, Compliance Engineering article it should explain everything you would like to know about line filter safety requirements. Ron Duffy -Original Message- From: Allen, John [mailto:john.

RE: Keep off the grass: RF emissions!

2001-10-29 Thread georgea
I saw a piece on on this type of mower on one of the Dateline or other news formats. The one displayed also had the ability to be operated remotely by the owner to trim etc. In this case, the hand held transmitter would be an intentional radiator. George Alspaugh -- Forward

Low Frequency Conducted Immunity....

2001-10-29 Thread Scott . Mee
Hello Group, I am working with and electronic device which contains and audio output. During a low frequency conducted immunity test, a tone can be heard at the output of the audio section with a frequency equal to that of the test frequency. The test starts at the lower end of the audio spectru

RE: EMI filter hazards

2001-10-29 Thread Allen, John
Hi Enci & Other Folks Comments: 1) The actual value of the capacitor may not the most significant factor - it is the actual voltage effect on the "user" that is most important, and that can be significant even if the filter meets the 0.1uF limit requirements. Even if the capacitor is smaller tha

Re: IEC 60950-1 released

2001-10-29 Thread David Heald
Is this equivalent to UL 60950? If so, the differences may be substantial. Dave Heald --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc

RE: IEC 60950-1 released

2001-10-29 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
Apart from numerous small changes and clarifications, resulting from experience/enquiries over the past couple of years there were the following major items: Requirements added covering the effect of UV on materials and people. Added detail regarding use of lasers and LEDs; Added requirements f

RE: Keep off the grass: RF emissions!

2001-10-29 Thread WOODS
If it is an intentional radiator and operates above 9 kHz, it is considered to be a transmitter. If so, it is considered to be an inductive loop short range device in Europe and subject to EN 300330-1 and -2 for radio emissions and EN 301489-1 and -3 for spurious emissions and immunity. FCC Part

Keep off the grass: RF emissions!

2001-10-29 Thread Massimo Polignano
Hello everybody! A friend of mine, overthinking of the breadth of my knowledge, is asking me for some advise about the applicable standards to a rather unusual piece of equipment. It is a "auto mower" intended to be programmed by the user to cut within a given garden area. It makes use of a bound

Re: IEC 60950-1 released -- FDA -- Aircrafts

2001-10-29 Thread amund
Hi friends, Thanks for all feedback! What should I've done without your help . Best regards Amund --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ie

FW: FDA & FCC

2001-10-29 Thread Jon Griver
Jim, Yes and no. Yes. Medical ultrasound equipment is explicitly included in the scope of Part 18 under Section 18.107(f). I assume the logic is that RF circuits are required to generate the ultrasound. No. Section 18.121 excludes non-consumer medical ultrasound equipment, except for a few sect

Re: IEC 60950-1 released

2001-10-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Andre, Pierre-Marie wrote (in ) about 'IEC 60950-1 released', on Mon, 29 Oct 2001: >Is it possible to get a summary of the changes with the previous version ? No, as far as I know, unless you know someone on TC74 or the national committee that parallels it. >should we r

RE: EMI filter hazards

2001-10-29 Thread Enci
At 09:31 29/10/01 -, John Crabb wrote: > >IEC60950 requires that capacitor exceeding 0.1uF should have a means of >discharge resulting >in a time constant not exceeding 1 second for pluggable equipment Type A. ".. a means of discharge" As I understand it there is no need to blindly install

Re: skinny power cords.

2001-10-29 Thread Andrew Carson
Tania The V in SVT does indeed stand for Vacuum and not Vinyl. In reference to the Trade name of this type of cable being Vacuum cleaner cord not suitable for hard usage. Article 400 of the NEC, page 70-211 to 70-224 ( in the 1999 edition) defines all the US cordage definitions. What the letters

Re: CISPR 13, EN 55013

2001-10-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote (in <20011029005000.JIZA629.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27]>) about 'CISPR 13, EN 55013', on Sun, 28 Oct 2001: >No connected cables. It was clearly a radiated test. Your friend should ask the test-house to say **which clause in which edition

RE: EMI filter hazards

2001-10-29 Thread Crabb, John
There are many EMI filters on the market with a discharge resistor across line and neutral to discharge the capacitor(s). The filter we use has a one megohm resistor built in. IEC60950 requires that capacitor exceeding 0.1uF should have a means of discharge resulting in a time constant not excee

IEC 60950-1 released

2001-10-29 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie
Is it possible to get a summary of the changes with the previous version ? should we retest all our products which comply today with the previous version ?... I am just curious Pierre-Marie Andre Intel Sophia Senior Approval Engineer Tel : +33 (0) 4 93 00 14 13 Fax : +33 (0) 4

RE: EMI filter hazards

2001-10-29 Thread Allen, John
The normal answer is to fit filters with bleeder resistors across the Line-to-Neutral capacitor, which is the main culprit for shocks. In fact, I would ALWAYS advocate these - having known of several cases where people have picked up unplugged equipment, and then dropped it due to the reaction sh

Re: CISPR 13, EN 55013

2001-10-29 Thread Ken Javor
No connected cables. It was clearly a radiated test. Here is what we worked out so far, but it seems rather bizarre so I was looking for an alternative explanation: It is an antenna induced limit like MIL-I-6181, but what throws me is the arcane way (I think) they determine the antenna factor

Re: CISPR 13, EN 55013

2001-10-29 Thread KC CHAN [PDD]
Are there any connections, like earphone? The result look like the power clamp measurement. >>> "Ken Javor" 10/27/01 04:05am >>> Assembled Experts, A NASA colleague of mine has EN 55013 test results on an electronic keyboard. The test results are a graph of dBpW vs. frequency, with a conver