Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Our customers' experiences with Turkish authorities varies. In many cases, the Turks are trying to stick to the letter of the law and will not let in anything for which not all the I's are dotted and t's crossed. I have come across reports both with and without the Directive. Sometimes the Directive when listed, appears in a list of applicable documents but not in a list of standards for testing. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Reviewer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101 Mail dav...@itl.co.ilmailto:dav...@itl.co.il/e...@itl.co.il Web www.itl.co.ilhttp://www.itl.co.il/ Fill out Customer Satisfaction Surveyhttp://app.sqm.co.il/SitePages/Questionnaire.aspx Global Certifications You Can Trust From: Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 12:09 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Hello, As others have said, I do not think the Directive needs to be listed in the test reports. You test to standards and the manufacturer deals with the Directive. Probably, the person saw the incorrect Directive reference and flagged it up. If there had not been any reference to any Directive, it might not have become an issue or even been noticed. Michael. From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: 15 June 2015 21:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.commailto:cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats),
[PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Chuck, I would expect only to see the applicable standards listed in the lab test report that they tested to. I don't see directives listed in my lab test reports. The DoC should identify the applicable directives and the standards used to support compliance with the directives. An EU Customs official wouldn't normally be looking at your test reports unless there is a formal request for the technical file. The lab test reports shouldn't accompany the product shipment/paper work. -Dave From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.commailto:cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
I agree with Dave here, but I will say that Turkey sometimes will demand a copy of a EMC report and they will note discrepancies like this. That has been an issue that I have faced within the last year. Since Turkey is not a member state of the EU they don’t follow the same EU procedures all the time. They claim they want ‘CE’ declarations and if they don’t like something they will look at reports and then they see things like this and start to dig. It has caused us to step back and simplify some of our documentation to try and curb these types of quests. Josh From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 2:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Chuck, I would expect only to see the applicable standards listed in the lab test report that they tested to. I don’t see directives listed in my lab test reports. The DoC should identify the applicable directives and the standards used to support compliance with the directives. An EU Customs official wouldn’t normally be looking at your test reports unless there is a formal request for the technical file. The lab test reports shouldn’t accompany the product shipment/paper work. -Dave From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.commailto:cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc.
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
In message 3a3aed03d80c514a87c0d08ab0a41ee10177eb8...@xchg1.ms.msli.com, dated Mon, 15 Jun 2015, Chuck McDowell chu...@meyersound.com writes: My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. These things can be documented in very well-hidden places. A test report doesn't test to a Directive (except Machinery and Automotive, perhaps), but to standards. So one might expect that a Directive should NOT be mentioned in a test report. But that's logical, and we know that EU regulations are rarely logical. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Dave, Whilst not an EU countries issue, some non-EU countries which require CE marking (notably Turkey!) may require the Technical Files (which would probably include the lab reports) to be presented to the Customs or other regulatory body at the time of product entry if there is any doubt as to the accuracy of the DoC. John Allen W.London, UK From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: 15 June 2015 20:19 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Chuck, I would expect only to see the applicable standards listed in the lab test report that they tested to. I don't see directives listed in my lab test reports. The DoC should identify the applicable directives and the standards used to support compliance with the directives. An EU Customs official wouldn't normally be looking at your test reports unless there is a formal request for the technical file. The lab test reports shouldn't accompany the product shipment/paper work. -Dave From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 3:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report
Hello, As others have said, I do not think the Directive needs to be listed in the test reports. You test to standards and the manufacturer deals with the Directive. Probably, the person saw the incorrect Directive reference and flagged it up. If there had not been any reference to any Directive, it might not have become an issue or even been noticed. Michael. From: Chuck McDowell [mailto:chu...@meyersound.com] Sent: 15 June 2015 21:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Customs and EMC test report Dear Compliance Professionals, Does a EMC test report issued by a accredited testing laboratory need to also reference the current EMC Directive 2004/108/EC? My belief is that the EMC Directive needs to noted on the product Declaration of Conformity, and not in the EMC test report. Is this correct? A EU Customs official stop a shipment because the EMC Directive noted in the EMC test report was out-of-date. I would like to remove EMC Directive dated notations from future reports. Thank you in advance for your comments, Chuck McDowell Compliance Specialist Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. 2832 San Pablo Ave. Berkeley, CA 94702-2204 Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270 Fax 510-486-8356 Email cmcdow...@meyersound.com mailto:cmcdow...@meyersound.com NOTICE: This email may contain confidential information. Please see http://www.meyersound.com/confidential/ for our complete policy. -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com mailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
