Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU
Hi Charlie, Thanks a million to your detail analysis! As regards to 3. quality system in Annex IV of 2014/53/EU, is it referred to ISO 9001 quality system management? I did not find any reference in current compliant reports of RTTED 99/5/EC. Is it a new requirement for RED? Would it cause a higher level of compliance? Scott On 24 Aug, 2015, at 4:31 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote: Scott There are four scenarios for equipment within scope of RTTE and/or RED, and the various transition periods have been clarified by the European Commission: 1. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD LVD/EMCD AND CONTINUE TO BE WITHIN NEW LVD/EMCD (EVEN AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED) -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market on or after 20 April 2016: new LVD/EMCD 2. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF RED -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RTTED or RED -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED 3. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD/NEW LVD/EMCD BUT THEN FALL WITHIN RED (AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED)-FOR EXAMPLE TELEVISION AND SOUND BROADCASTING RECEIVERS -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market between 20 April 2016 and 12 June 2016 : new LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RED or new LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED 4. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND THEN OUTSIDE RED-FOR EXAMPLE TERMINAL EQUIPMENT -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED -Products placed on market after 12 June 2016: RED is not applicable; new LVD/EMCD, if applicable to the product in question The last scenario is the “nasty” one – there is a transition period written into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is currently RTTE, but not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD “overnight” Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2015 00:41 To: Charlie Blackham Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU Hi Charlie, Thanks for sharing the temporary solution. For the products that compliant with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new ones? What about the RED replacing RTTE? This one cannot be simply updated the DoC since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE. The receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive. The new directive does not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to follow. Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today. Regards, Scott On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote: Scott Test labs should test to standards. Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives. The two beams should not cross :) You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for several months after the 20 April. * (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year) Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU Hi All, The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition period. As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance verification to those directive until 20 April 2016. They claim they cannot test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive. It is impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on the market on 20 April 2016. Since there is no any technical changes, can we just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives. Or any other idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant product putting on the market in good order. Thanks and regards, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
And audience participation I hope. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 2:14 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track In message 001801d0de2a$ab67e590$0237b0b0$@cs.com, dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes: I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I?m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. With demonstrations? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] EMC test lab, New York
Relif Testing Laboratories is the EMC lab I use. They have a lab in Ronkonkoma, NY. Retlif is fully accredited to ISO-STD-17025 and maintains such listing as, FCC recognized, VCCI listed, and EU CAB designated all to insure global acceptance of their test data. John Cochran STRONGARM Designs Ph: 215-443-3400 x219 -Original Message- From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 6:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EMC test lab, New York I’m looking for recommendations for EMC testing services for a client in New York state. I need a well equipped lab which charges by the hour, properly understands the EMC Directive, has a good technical understanding of the EN standards and can recommend solutions in the case of minor compliance issues. I don’t want a lab who are only interested in maximising their income by performing unecessary tests. Contact details gratefully received by direct message. Thanks Nick. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] FW: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
John, et al, Well, no demonstration... Looked into it several years ago and the IEEE didn't want to cover the liability for such. Too, bad, I've always felt that EE product folks should always know what allowable electric shock feels like. But I do get to describe my own reaction to electric shock (bus not as satisfying for the audience). :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 11:14 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track In message 001801d0de2a$ab67e590$0237b0b0$@cs.com, dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes: I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I?m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. With demonstrations? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU
Hi Scott, Annex IV of 2014/53/EC is similar to Annex V of 1999/5/EC. It’s an alternative compliance route, not necessarily a test report issue. Michael. From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 August 2015 14:59 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU Hi Charlie, Thanks a million to your detail analysis! As regards to 3. quality system in Annex IV of 2014/53/EU, is it referred to ISO 9001 quality system management? I did not find any reference in current compliant reports of RTTED 99/5/EC. Is it a new requirement for RED? Would it cause a higher level of compliance? Scott On 24 Aug, 2015, at 4:31 am, Charlie Blackham char...@sulisconsultants.com mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote: Scott There are four scenarios for equipment within scope of RTTE and/or RED, and the various transition periods have been clarified by the European Commission: 1. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD LVD/EMCD AND CONTINUE TO BE WITHIN NEW LVD/EMCD (EVEN AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED) -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market on or after 20 April 2016: new LVD/EMCD 2. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND REMAIN WITHIN THE SCOPE OF RED -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RTTED or RED -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED 3. PRODUCTS WITHIN OLD/NEW LVD/EMCD BUT THEN FALL WITHIN RED (AFTER APPLICABILITY OF RED)-FOR EXAMPLE TELEVISION AND SOUND BROADCASTING RECEIVERS -Products placed on market before 20 April 2016: old LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market between 20 April 2016 and 12 June 2016 : new LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market between 13 June 2016 and 12 June 2017: RED or new LVD/EMCD -Products placed on market after 12 June 2017: RED 4. PRODUCTS WITHIN RTTED AND THEN OUTSIDE RED-FOR EXAMPLE TERMINAL EQUIPMENT -Products placed on market before 13 June 2016: RTTED -Products placed on market after 12 June 2016: RED is not applicable; new LVD/EMCD, if applicable to the product in question The last scenario is the “nasty” one – there is a transition period written into RED, but not into EMC or LVD, so equipment that is currently RTTE, but not RED has to, in theory, comply with EMC/LVD “overnight” Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 August 2015 00:41 To: Charlie Blackham Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU Hi Charlie, Thanks for sharing the temporary solution. For the products that compliant with current directives, are they just updated the DoC to comply with the new ones? What about the RED replacing RTTE? This one cannot be simply updated the DoC since all the receivers will fall into RED but not current RTTE. The receivers have to be re-tested to the new directive. The new directive does not publish the homogenised standards yet for the 3rd party laboratories to follow. Thus they cannot test to the new directive as of today. Regards, Scott On 22 Aug, 2015, at 1:12 am, Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com char...@sulisconsultants.com wrote: Scott Test labs should test to standards. Manufacturers declare to compliance to Directives. The two beams should not cross :) You won't get anything officially, but unofficially the EU MSAs and enforcement agencies should take a pragmatic stance regarding DoCs and not be too concerned whether existing or new Directives are being referenced for several months after the 20 April. * (* This was stated verbally by a representative of the UK Department for Business Innovation and Skills at UK seminar earlier this year) Regards Charlie -Original Message- From: Scott Xe [ mailto:scott...@gmail.com mailto:scott...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 August 2015 16:53 To: mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] New EMC Directive 2014/30/EU LV Directive 2014/35/EU Hi All, The captioned directives will be enforced on 20 April 2016 with no transition period. As of today, no accredited laboratories accept the compliance verification to those directive until 20 April 2016. They claim they cannot test to those directives until 20 April 2016 as per the directive. It is impossible in the industry to prepare for any compliant products to be put on the market on 20 April 2016. Since there is no any technical changes, can we just update the DoC using the compliant report of old directives. Or any other idea/original idea of these new directives to allow the compliant product putting on the market in good order. Thanks and regards, Scott -
Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
In message 000c01d0de82$1350c6c0$39f25440$@cs.com, dated Mon, 24 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com writes: But I do get to describe my own reaction to electric shock (bus not as satisfying for the audience). You could show a video, with sound effects. (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] HDMI extension cable recommendation?
I’m looking for a good quality HDMI extension cable for test use. Price is not an issue since I only need a few. Does anyone have any recommendations based on their shielding and build quality? Thanks! Brent DeWitt Senior EMC Engineer Bose Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
About 10-15 years ago, there was an advertising video for a Bapco Safety Analyzer that was making the rounds. As I recall the President of the company said he had all of his sales engineers experience what high leakage current felt like by having them hold on to the bare conductors of a circuit he designed and he walked through sensing the current, experiencing pain, and let go current. I would love to see that video again. Kevin Robinson On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote: John, et al, Well, no demonstration... Looked into it several years ago and the IEEE didn't want to cover the liability for such. Too, bad, I've always felt that EE product folks should always know what allowable electric shock feels like. But I do get to describe my own reaction to electric shock (bus not as satisfying for the audience). :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 11:14 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track In message 001801d0de2a$ab67e590$0237b0b0$@cs.com, dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes: I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I?m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. With demonstrations? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Thanks Pete, that'd be great, even without the demonstration. If anyone can find that video Kevin referred to, send it along. The Call for Submissions is here - http://2016.psessymposium.org/sites/2016.psessymposium.org/files/call-for-papers/ISPCE_2016_CFP_v10-web.pdf The first deadline is December 6, 2015. Best Regards, John John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. http://www.productsafetyinc.com 630-238-0188 Product Safety Consulting Product Safety Consulting provides product developers and manufacturers with expert advice and testing services, so they can secure product safety and Read more... From: Kevin Robinson kevinrobinso...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 11:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track About 10-15 years ago, there was an advertising video for a Bapco Safety Analyzer that was making the rounds. As I recall the President of the company said he had all of his sales engineers experience what high leakage current felt like by having them hold on to the bare conductors of a circuit he designed and he walked through sensing the current, experiencing pain, and let go current. I would love to see that video again. Kevin Robinson On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote: John, et al, Well, no demonstration... Looked into it several years ago and the IEEE didn't want to cover the liability for such. Too, bad, I've always felt that EE product folks should always know what allowable electric shock feels like. But I do get to describe my own reaction to electric shock (bus not as satisfying for the audience). :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 11:14 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track In message 001801d0de2a$ab67e590$0237b0b0$@cs.com, dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes: I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I?m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. With demonstrations? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used
Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
In message 001801d0de2a$ab67e590$0237b0b0$@cs.com, dated Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org writes: I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I?m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. With demonstrations? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
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I would love to see a similar demonstration on determining minor to moderate mechanical hazards; pinch, crush, shear, etc. How to measure force, determine contact area, calculating contact pressure, and ultimately determining the Ouch Factor. What protective measure can be use in different cases to lower the risk to an accessible level? How bad of boo boo are you willing to let your Users have access too? At some point, someone is going to have to stick their finger in there and see how bad it hurts. I'm thinking about using one of those pain charts they use at the hospital. I'd go to a demonstration like that. The Other Brian From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Importance: Low John, Thanx for speaking up; the symposium is always awsome. I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I'm willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.orgmailto:p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi guys, I'm heading up the Compliance 101 Track for the 2016 Symposium in Anaheim, CA. The Track was very well received last year and I'm hoping to do it again this year with 6 or 7 presentations on high level compliance issues, tips and teachings. The audience for the Track are those new to compliance and designers who don't have the time to get their hands around compliance. Believe it or not, some people that attended the Track last year still thought UL was a government agency. I believe we have a huge opportunity to grow the Symposium, and membership in the PSES by teaching newbies and designers how to do what we do. For the consultants out there I know this sounds like you're giving away free consulting, and you are, but as one of you I can say it is worth it - a knowledgeable client is our best client!! The Symposium is not until May 16-18, 2016 but we need to get organized as the TPC is already meeting monthly. Please consider doing a presentation and reach out to me if your interested. If you'd like to see the Compliance 101 presentations to get a flavor for what they looked like let me know. Not 100% sure if I can pass them on if you didn't attend the symposium, but can certainly pass along something similar to the one I did. Best Regards, John John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. http://www.productsafetyinc.com 630-238-0188 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher
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Hotdogs can be used for demonstrations of pinch points. (I recommend not using Chicago style dogshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_hot_dog#/media/File:Chicago-style_hot_dog_2.jpg. The ketchup and mustard are bad enough, but that neon green relish makes a real mess during testing.) But seriously, raw hotdogs work for showing how different situations could cut the skin on a finger. Another potential demonstration is to show how the K factor of a fan relates to injury. My hypothetical test would be to use a set fans with varying K factors. You could use the aforementioned hotdog or people who have signed a waiver. I wouldn't recommend allowing participants to test any fan with a K factor more than 25% of the finger safe limit. That should be sufficient to give an idea of what the K factor means. It may be interesting to take a fan with a K factor just within the finger-safe limit and stick a hotdog in it to show what happens. More than a decade ago, I took an HBSE course from UL that included leakage current video. It appeared to be from the 1950s and it started with a notice that the video was in the public domain. However, I've never been able to find a copy on the web. In the video, the person giving the demonstration cuts the ground plug off of a metal power drill and holds it in his hand. (This was long before double insulated power tools.) The person than put a metal cuff around their forearm just below the elbow. An assistant adjusted the current flowing through the presenters arm from the cuff to the drill. increasing it in steps to 8 mA with the presenter explaining what he feels. At 8 mA, the presenter was losing control of the musculature of the forearm, but he was still able to stand up and clearly describe the situation. I don't know if UL still has this video. If so, it is another question whether they would present it again or share it. Personally, I would rather not create a modernized version. I've experienced 3.5 mA between two fingers on one hand and that is more than enough of a test for me. The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. Do not try this at home, and consult your corporate attorney before even considering any demonstrations using humanb subjects. I am proposing hypotheitical demonstrations and I am not specifically endorsing the use of human subjects. Ted Eckert From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track I would love to see a similar demonstration on determining minor to moderate mechanical hazards; pinch, crush, shear, etc. How to measure force, determine contact area, calculating contact pressure, and ultimately determining the Ouch Factor. What protective measure can be use in different cases to lower the risk to an accessible level? How bad of boo boo are you willing to let your Users have access too? At some point, someone is going to have to stick their finger in there and see how bad it hurts. I'm thinking about using one of those pain charts they use at the hospital. I'd go to a demonstration like that. The Other Brian From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Importance: Low John, Thanx for speaking up; the symposium is always awsome. I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I'm willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.orgmailto:p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi guys, I'm heading up the Compliance 101 Track for the 2016 Symposium in Anaheim, CA. The Track was very well received last year and I'm hoping to do it again this year with 6 or 7 presentations on high level compliance issues, tips and teachings. The audience for the Track are those new to compliance and designers who don't have the time to get their hands around compliance. Believe it or not, some people that attended the Track last year still thought UL was a government agency. I believe we have a huge opportunity to grow the Symposium, and membership in the PSES by teaching newbies and designers how to do what we do. For the consultants out there I know this sounds like you're giving away free consulting, and you are, but as one of you I can say it is
[PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Rich, Thanx for chasing the video's. My kids saw Hagagrd's live demo in the 70's and I met him briefly when I picked them up. We'll have to see how to fit some of this in. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi Ted: You can download the video here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69937717/ubc/20041102-045126.mpg The gentleman is Claude Haggard. I think he lived in Medford, Oregon. This was from a TV show (back in the days of BW TV) he did for Pacific Power to alert rural folks to the hazards of electricity. Mr. Haggard would take his show throughout the US, primarily for school children. I saw him do his show in person, probably in the Midwest. Here is a very brief announcement of his presentation at SOC, March 25, 1955. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/96844225/ You can also see a record of Mr. Haggard presenting to an NFPA committee (Chicago) in 1958: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/NEC-Proceedings-1958.pdf Here is another article and picture about one of his presentations, (Seattle, November, 1971): http://providencearchives.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15352coll31 /id/163 Enjoy! Rich ps: I used carrots to determine if mechanical impacts would hurt. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Hi Ted: You can download the video here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69937717/ubc/2 0041102-045126.mpg The gentleman is Claude Haggard. I think he lived in Medford, Oregon. This was from a TV show (back in the days of BW TV) he did for Pacific Power to alert rural folks to the hazards of electricity. Mr. Haggard would take his show throughout the US, primarily for school children. I saw him do his show in person, probably in the Midwest. Here is a very brief announcement of his presentation at SOC, March 25, 1955. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/96844225/ You can also see a record of Mr. Haggard presenting to an NFPA committee (Chicago) in 1958: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/ NEC-Proceedings-1958.pdf Here is another article and picture about one of his presentations, (Seattle, November, 1971): http://providencearchives.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/r ef/collection/p15352coll31/id/163 Enjoy! Rich ps: I used carrots to determine if mechanical impacts would hurt. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
In message cy1pr03mb14704996fac7a7f1c29f473694...@cy1pr03mb1470.namprd03.prod.outlo ok.com, dated Mon, 24 Aug 2015, Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com writes: I am proposing hypotheitical demonstrations and I am not specifically endorsing the use of human subjects At least humans could understand the experiments and choose whether to take part. It would be far more reprehensible to use non-human subjects. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Those are great suggestions!! If either of you - Ted and The Other Brian - or anyone else can put together either presentation they'd both be great for Compliance 101. Any takers?? Only one comment in that there's no ketchup on Chicago style hot dogs!! Best Regards, John John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. http://www.productsafetyinc.com 630-238-0188 From: Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:53 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hotdogs can be used for demonstrations of pinch points. (I recommend not using Chicago style dogshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-style_hot_dog#/media/File:Chicago-style_hot_dog_2.jpg. The ketchup and mustard are bad enough, but that neon green relish makes a real mess during testing.) But seriously, raw hotdogs work for showing how different situations could cut the skin on a finger. Another potential demonstration is to show how the K factor of a fan relates to injury. My hypothetical test would be to use a set fans with varying K factors. You could use the aforementioned hotdog or people who have signed a waiver. I wouldn’t recommend allowing participants to test any fan with a K factor more than 25% of the finger safe limit. That should be sufficient to give an idea of what the K factor means. It may be interesting to take a fan with a K factor just within the finger-safe limit and stick a hotdog in it to show what happens. More than a decade ago, I took an HBSE course from UL that included leakage current video. It appeared to be from the 1950s and it started with a notice that the video was in the public domain. However, I’ve never been able to find a copy on the web. In the video, the person giving the demonstration cuts the ground plug off of a metal power drill and holds it in his hand. (This was long before double insulated power tools.) The person than put a metal cuff around their forearm just below the elbow. An assistant adjusted the current flowing through the presenters arm from the cuff to the drill. increasing it in steps to 8 mA with the presenter explaining what he feels. At 8 mA, the presenter was losing control of the musculature of the forearm, but he was still able to stand up and clearly describe the situation. I don’t know if UL still has this video. If so, it is another question whether they would present it again or share it. Personally, I would rather not create a modernized version. I’ve experienced 3.5 mA between two fingers on one hand and that is more than enough of a test for me. The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. Do not try this at home, and consult your corporate attorney before even considering any demonstrations using humanb subjects. I am proposing hypotheitical demonstrations and I am not specifically endorsing the use of human subjects. Ted Eckert From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track I would love to see a similar demonstration on determining minor to moderate mechanical hazards; pinch, crush, shear, etc. How to measure force, determine contact area, calculating contact pressure, and ultimately determining the “Ouch Factor”. What protective measure can be use in different cases to “lower the risk to an accessible level”? How bad of boo boo are you willing to let your Users have access too? At some point, someone is going to have to stick their finger in there and see how bad it hurts. I’m thinking about using one of those pain charts they use at the hospital. I’d go to a demonstration like that. The Other Brian From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 1:07 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Importance: Low John, Thanx for speaking up; the symposium is always awsome. I did the Electric Shock for Dummies pitch last year and had a great group attending. I’m willing to do it again this year, building on last years session with some improvements. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.orgmailto:p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi guys, I'm heading up the Compliance 101 Track for the 2016 Symposium in Anaheim, CA. The Track was very well received last year
Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Thanks Rich! The video was great! Best Regards, John John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. http://www.productsafetyinc.com 630-238-0188 [http://www.productsafetyinc.com/assets/product-safety-consulting.png]http://www.productsafetyinc.com/ Product Safety Consulting Product Safety Consulting provides product developers and manufacturers with expert advice and testing services, so they can secure product safety and Read more...http://www.productsafetyinc.com/ From: Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 7:49 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Rich, Thanx for chasing the video's. My kids saw Hagagrd's live demo in the 70's and I met him briefly when I picked them up. We'll have to see how to fit some of this in... :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi Ted: You can download the video here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69937717/ubc/20041102-045126.mpg The gentleman is Claude Haggard. I think he lived in Medford, Oregon. This was from a TV show (back in the days of BW TV) he did for Pacific Power to alert rural folks to the hazards of electricity. Mr. Haggard would take his show throughout the US, primarily for school children. I saw him do his show in person, probably in the Midwest. Here is a very brief announcement of his presentation at SOC, March 25, 1955. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/96844225/ You can also see a record of Mr. Haggard presenting to an NFPA committee (Chicago) in 1958: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/NEC-Proceedings-1958.pdf Here is another article and picture about one of his presentations, (Seattle, November, 1971): http://providencearchives.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15352coll31/id/163 Enjoy! Rich ps: I used carrots to determine if mechanical impacts would hurt. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.orgmailto:sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used
Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
Gotta love good ol' Reddy Kilowatt From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Thanks Rich! The video was great! Best Regards, John John Allen President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. http://www.productsafetyinc.com 630-238-0188 Product Safety Consulting Product Safety Consulting provides product developers and manufacturers with expert advice and testing services, so they can secure product safety and Read more... From: Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 7:49 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] FW: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Rich, Thanx for chasing the video's. My kids saw Hagagrd's live demo in the 70's and I met him briefly when I picked them up. We'll have to see how to fit some of this in. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi Ted: You can download the video here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69937717/ubc/20041102-045126.mpg The gentleman is Claude Haggard. I think he lived in Medford, Oregon. This was from a TV show (back in the days of BW TV) he did for Pacific Power to alert rural folks to the hazards of electricity. Mr. Haggard would take his show throughout the US, primarily for school children. I saw him do his show in person, probably in the Midwest. Here is a very brief announcement of his presentation at SOC, March 25, 1955. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/96844225/ You can also see a record of Mr. Haggard presenting to an NFPA committee (Chicago) in 1958: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/NEC-Proceedings-1958.pdf Here is another article and picture about one of his presentations, (Seattle, November, 1971): http://providencearchives.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15352coll31/id/163 Enjoy! Rich ps: I used carrots to determine if mechanical impacts would hurt. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to
Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track
I would like to thank Rich for the link. That is exactly what I was looking for. In response to Mr. Woodgate, I would like to state that I in no way meant to imply that I was endorsing the use of animals in electric shock demonstrations. My preference is to make use of existing references such as the one provided by Mr. Nute. Personally, I thought that the demonstration I participated in was excellent. This is where the participants could experience current up to 3.5 mA between two fingers on one hand. I remember signing a wavier and I was aware of the risks. I expect that I would not be allowed to set up a similar demonstration regardless of what wavier I had participants sign. My employer's legal department would laugh loudly if I even proposed the idea. I will also make sure that I get signed consent from each and every hotdog I use for demonstrations of pinch and crush hazards. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation ted.eck...@microsoft.commailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 4:29 PM To: Ted Eckert ted.eck...@microsoft.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] PSES Symposium 2016 - Compliance 101 Track Hi Ted: You can download the video here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/69937717/ubc/20041102-045126.mpg The gentleman is Claude Haggard. I think he lived in Medford, Oregon. This was from a TV show (back in the days of BW TV) he did for Pacific Power to alert rural folks to the hazards of electricity. Mr. Haggard would take his show throughout the US, primarily for school children. I saw him do his show in person, probably in the Midwest. Here is a very brief announcement of his presentation at SOC, March 25, 1955. http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/96844225/ You can also see a record of Mr. Haggard presenting to an NFPA committee (Chicago) in 1958: http://www.nfpa.org/Assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/NEC-Proceedings-1958.pdf Here is another article and picture about one of his presentations, (Seattle, November, 1971): http://providencearchives.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15352coll31/id/163 Enjoy! Rich ps: I used carrots to determine if mechanical impacts would hurt. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
