Re: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

2019-05-09 Thread Pete Perkins 
Frank,Getting started in this is a lot of work.  For a product such as 
yours the requirements are similar but not the same for each market.  The work 
starts with an understanding of the technical requirements that need to be 
applied to the product in the development phase which will be demonstrated 
during the evaluation phase by the test labs for safety and EMC requirements 
etc.  This work becomes the backbone for the Technical File which supports each 
certification needed.  

 

   Too bad you missed the IEEE PSES ISPCE symposium this week in 
San Jose; the Compliance 101 track is aimed at folks just like you.  You might 
work in an area that has a local PSES chapter (check the IEEE PSES website for 
local chapters) where you can network with others doing just what you are 
doing.  

 

   There is a lot of useful info on this forum (you have obviously 
found your way here already). Keep up the good work.  

 

:>) br,  Pete

 

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From: frankt_cpmt <0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 2:30 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

 

Hi Dave,

Thank you for your response. 

Product is light industrial laboratory equipment and market is US, europe, 
asia, korea. Trying to figure out which entities I contact for CoC, CE Mark, 
etc. Tried searching online for a good sources to use as information I can feed 
back to team,  but havent had success yet.

 

 

 

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 Original message 

From: "Nyffenegger, Dave" mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> > 

Date: 5/9/19 10:43 (GMT-08:00) 

To: Frank Tang mailto:frankt_c...@yahoo.com> >, 
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG   

Subject: RE: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation) 

 

Frank,

 

Answer to many these questions depend on what market(s) you are selling into.  
Your test lab will provide you with their prerequisites needed for a given 
test/certification.  These should be identified in their quotes.  Generally 
minimum requirements for safety evaluation/certifications are critical 
components list with all component info, schematics, and safety risk 
assessment.  Your NRTL will dictate some of this for the NA market.  The ‘Blue 
Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules will help answer questions on 
what you need to do with your documentation and certifications for the EU 
market.  The EU directives themselves define some of the documentation 
requirements for the individual directives.

 

-Dave

 

From: Frank Tang [mailto:0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 12:53 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG  
Subject: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

 

Hi Everyone,

Looking for some guidance and mentoring because I am currently in charge of 
compliance and regulatory division on my own.

Any knowledge provided will be greatly appreciated.

Have some knowledge on process for EMC testing, but need guidance for,

*   What to do after test complete and have test report in hand

*   documentation
*   application for certificate (?)
*   self declaration, etc.
*   Maintaining certification

Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation as well,

*   Things to provide test lab before testing

*   BOM (?)
*   schematic
*   LoCC

*   What to do after test conclude with report in hand

*   Documentation process,
*   LVD
*   Machinery directive
*   etc

 

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Thank you and best regards.
- Frank

 

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Re: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

2019-05-09 Thread frankt_cpmt 
Hi Dave,Thank you for your response. Product is light industrial laboratory 
equipment and market is US, europe, asia, korea. Trying to figure out which 
entities I contact for CoC, CE Mark, etc. Tried searching online for a good 
sources to use as information I can feed back to team,  but havent had success 
yet.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone
 Original message From: "Nyffenegger, Dave" 
 Date: 5/9/19  10:43  (GMT-08:00) To: Frank Tang 
, EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EMC and 
safety basics (process documentation) 

Frank,
 
Answer to many these questions depend on what market(s) you are selling into.  
Your test lab will provide you with their prerequisites needed for a given 
test/certification.
  These should be identified in their quotes.  Generally minimum requirements 
for safety evaluation/certifications are critical components list with all 
component info, schematics, and safety risk assessment.  Your NRTL will dictate 
some of this for the NA
 market.  The ‘Blue Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules will help 
answer questions on what you need to do with your documentation and 
certifications for the EU market.  The EU directives themselves define some of 
the documentation requirements
 for the individual directives.
 
-Dave
 


From: Frank Tang [mailto:0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 12:53 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)


 


Hi Everyone,


Looking for some guidance and mentoring because I am currently in charge of 
compliance and regulatory division on my own.


Any knowledge provided will be greatly appreciated.


Have some knowledge on process for EMC testing, but need guidance for,




What to do after test complete and have test report in hand



documentation
application for certificate (?)
self declaration, etc.
Maintaining certification



Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation as well,




Things to provide test lab before testing



BOM (?)
schematic
LoCC



What to do after test conclude with report in hand



Documentation process,
LVD
Machinery directive
etc



 



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Thank you and best regards.
- Frank


 



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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread lauren . crane 
An approach I’ve also seen is

“2011/65/EU as amended”.

If you go for the longer version, I think the proper title of that directive is 
“COMMISSION DELEGATED DIRECTIVE (EU) 2015/863” where the EU appears in prefix.

-L

From: Michael Cantwell 
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Subject: Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

The proper way to cite this would be: " Compliant to 2011/65/EU as modified by 
2015/863". There is no "/EU" at the end.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 1:48 PM John Woodgate 
mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk>> wrote:

You normally only cite the latest version. As far as I know, all these 
references end in /EU now.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK

The UK is a sovereign state, not a Zollverein state
On 2019-05-09 19:12, 
06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org
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Hello group,

Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest one. When 
it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write
(RoHS) 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU at the 
end of the 863?

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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread Charlie Blackham 
2015/863 is “only” a “Commission Delegated Directive” which amends Annex II of 
2011/65/EU

2011/65/EU is the applicable CE marking Directive and that is the only one for 
RoHS that should be on a DoC (see 
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/legis_en.htm )

Regards
Charlie

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Hello group,

Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest one. When 
it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write
(RoHS) 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU at the 
end of the 863?

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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread John Woodgate 
Commission-delegated Directives, don't have /EU at the end. 2015/863 is 
an amendment to 2011/65/EU, not a 'new version'.


Best wishes
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On 2019-05-09 20:18, Michael Cantwell wrote:
The proper way to cite this would be: " Compliant to 2011/65/EU as 
modified by 2015/863". There is no "/EU" at the end.


On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 1:48 PM John Woodgate > wrote:


You normally only cite the latest version. As far as I know, all
these references end in /EU now.

Best wishes
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On 2019-05-09 19:12, 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org
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Hello group,
Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the
latest one. When it comes to creating Declarations of conformity,
do I write
(RoHS)2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there
an EU at the end of the 863?
Thanks
Peter
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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread Michael Cantwell 
The proper way to cite this would be: " Compliant to 2011/65/EU as modified
by 2015/863". There is no "/EU" at the end.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 1:48 PM John Woodgate  wrote:

> You normally only cite the latest version. As far as I know, all these
> references end in /EU now.
>
> Best wishes
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
> J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
> Rayleigh, Essex UK
> The UK is a sovereign state, not a Zollverein state
>
> On 2019-05-09 19:12, 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
> Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest one.
> When it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write
> (RoHS) 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU
> at the end of the 863?
>
> Thanks
> Peter
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Re: [PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread John Woodgate 
You normally only cite the latest version. As far as I know, all these 
references end in /EU now.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
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Hello group,
Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the latest 
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(RoHS)2011/65/EU + 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an 
EU at the end of the 863?

Thanks
Peter
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[PSES] RoHS 3 question

2019-05-09 Thread 000006cee064502d-dmarc-request 
Hello group, Our products complies with all versions of RoHS including the 
latest one. When it comes to creating Declarations of conformity, do I write 
(RoHS) 2011/65/EU+ 2015/863 or do I just write 2015/863? Is there an EU at the 
end of the 863? ThanksPeter

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Re: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

2019-05-09 Thread John Woodgate 
These are very big questions. Your employer should arrange for you to 
attend appropriate training courses.


Best wishes
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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Rayleigh, Essex UK
The UK is a sovereign state, not a Zollverein state

On 2019-05-09 17:53, Frank Tang wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Looking for some guidance and mentoring because I am currently in 
charge of compliance and regulatory division on my own.

Any knowledge provided will be greatly appreciated.
Have some knowledge on process for EMC testing, but need guidance for,

  * What to do after test complete and have test report in hand
  o documentation
  o application for certificate (?)
  o self declaration, etc.
  o Maintaining certification

Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation 
as well,


  * Things to provide test lab before testing
  o BOM (?)
  o schematic
  o LoCC
  * What to do after test conclude with report in hand
  o Documentation process,
  o LVD
  o Machinery directive
  o etc


--
Thank you and best regards.
- Frank

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Re: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

2019-05-09 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave 
Frank,

Answer to many these questions depend on what market(s) you are selling into.  
Your test lab will provide you with their prerequisites needed for a given 
test/certification.  These should be identified in their quotes.  Generally 
minimum requirements for safety evaluation/certifications are critical 
components list with all component info, schematics, and safety risk 
assessment.  Your NRTL will dictate some of this for the NA market.  The ‘Blue 
Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules will help answer questions on 
what you need to do with your documentation and certifications for the EU 
market.  The EU directives themselves define some of the documentation 
requirements for the individual directives.

-Dave

From: Frank Tang [mailto:0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 12:53 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

Hi Everyone,
Looking for some guidance and mentoring because I am currently in charge of 
compliance and regulatory division on my own.
Any knowledge provided will be greatly appreciated.
Have some knowledge on process for EMC testing, but need guidance for,

  *   What to do after test complete and have test report in hand

 *   documentation
 *   application for certificate (?)
 *   self declaration, etc.
 *   Maintaining certification
Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation as well,

  *   Things to provide test lab before testing

 *   BOM (?)
 *   schematic
 *   LoCC

  *   What to do after test conclude with report in hand

 *   Documentation process,
 *   LVD
 *   Machinery directive
 *   etc

--
Thank you and best regards.
- Frank

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[PSES] EMC and safety basics (process documentation)

2019-05-09 Thread Frank Tang 
Hi Everyone,Looking for some guidance and mentoring because I am currently in 
charge of compliance and regulatory division on my own.Any knowledge provided 
will be greatly appreciated.Have some knowledge on process for EMC testing, but 
need guidance for,   
   - What to do after test complete and have test report in hand
   
   - documentation   

   - application for certificate (?)
   - self declaration, etc.
   - Maintaining certification
Would also like to get some information regarding safety documentation as well, 
  
   - Things to provide test lab before testing
   
   - BOM (?)
   - schematic
   - LoCC
   
   - What to do after test conclude with report in hand
   
   - Documentation process,
   - LVD
   - Machinery directive
   - etc

--
Thank you and best regards.
- Frank

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Re: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

2019-05-09 Thread Kevin Robinson 
There are several references in the OSHA regulations where “approved” is 
mentioned.   “Approved is then defined in 29 CFR 1910.399 which is where the 
NRTL certification requirement is listed.

Kevin.

Kevin


From: Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:37 AM
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

Thank you Robison for your reply!!

Then the summary is that a industrial controller to be used in  Class 1 Div 2 
needs to have NTRL approval for Hazloc and ordinary location. A self 
certification by the manufacturer for Hazloc is not accepted.

Which point of the regulation indicates it?
Perhaps below?

1910.307
 - Hazardous (classified) locations
307(b) - Equipment, wiring methods, and installations of equipment in hazardous 
(classified) locations shall be intrinsically safe, approved for the hazardous 
(classified) location, or safe or for the hazardous (classified) location.

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards
Daniel Rodríguez

From: Kevin Robinson 
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Daniel,

Generally yes, the product must be certified by a NRTL, however I seem to 
recall seeing some enclosures that were approved with certain assumptions on 
the internal equipment that you might be able to rely on the enclosure 
certification.  Keep in mind that the equipment also needs to meet normal 
location requirements.

If you have any questions about the NRTL program, feel free to reach out to me 
at my office robinson.ke...@dol.gov or 
202-693-1911 as I manage the NTRL program for OSHA.

Kevin Robinson



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To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

Good morning every body!!

In USA it is mandatory that Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure is 
reviewED by a NTRL lab?
If it mandatory where I can find it?
Or with the enclosure certificate is enough?

I wish you a nice day!
Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Re: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

2019-05-09 Thread Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
Thank you Robison for your reply!!

Then the summary is that a industrial controller to be used in  Class 1 Div 2 
needs to have NTRL approval for Hazloc and ordinary location. A self 
certification by the manufacturer for Hazloc is not accepted.

Which point of the regulation indicates it?
Perhaps below?

1910.307
 - Hazardous (classified) locations
307(b) - Equipment, wiring methods, and installations of equipment in hazardous 
(classified) locations shall be intrinsically safe, approved for the hazardous 
(classified) location, or safe or for the hazardous (classified) location.

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards
Daniel Rodríguez

From: Kevin Robinson 
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 5:53 PM
To: Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) ; emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

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Daniel,

Generally yes, the product must be certified by a NRTL, however I seem to 
recall seeing some enclosures that were approved with certain assumptions on 
the internal equipment that you might be able to rely on the enclosure 
certification.  Keep in mind that the equipment also needs to meet normal 
location requirements.

If you have any questions about the NRTL program, feel free to reach out to me 
at my office robinson.ke...@dol.gov or 
202-693-1911 as I manage the NTRL program for OSHA.

Kevin Robinson



From: Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
mailto:drodrig...@ecolab.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 11:09 AM
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

Good morning every body!!

In USA it is mandatory that Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure is 
reviewED by a NTRL lab?
If it mandatory where I can find it?
Or with the enclosure certificate is enough?

I wish you a nice day!
Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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