Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread John Woodgate
A small point; the lowest carrier frequency is 153 kHz. Sidebands extend down to 148 kHz. All the European LF and MF broadcasting carrier frequencies are multiples of 9 kHz. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On

Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread John Woodgate
I don't need to, because Brent DeWitt has answered fully. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-12 22:09, John Allen wrote: An “easy one” for us “oldies” but I’m sure that John Woodgate will quickly reply “in

Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread Ken Javor
Interestingly, as I somewhat alluded to in my post on this topic, the development work that went into the CE limit was based on the original LISN design, which was a 5 uH model, whose impedance was specified from 150 kHz to 30 MHz, and based on impedance measurements on a DC-3 aircraft back in the

Re: [PSES] CE Marking and DoC for Multi Device Product

2019-08-12 Thread Steve Brody
IMO, part of the answer is how it is being sold. If the product is known and sold as Model ABC, then it should be tested as a system for compliance to the applicable directives and standards and a DoC would be written for Model ABC and it would indicate the various 'components' that comprise

Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread Ken Javor
Agree about start frequency. The AM BCB in Europe includes frequencies from 150 kHz to just shy of 300 kHz, as well as the 530 ­ 1710 kHz range available in North America. I know why 150 kHz to 30 MHz was used for military and aerospace CE, and I think the commercial world just sort of copied the

Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread Brent DeWitt
For the upper end; conducted measurements end where radiated emissions start.  Back in the mists of time someone decided that a ten meter wavelength was something that could radiated fairly efficiently from cables, so radiated emissions sounded like more of a risk to telecommunications. The

Re: [PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread John Allen
An “easy one” for us “oldies” but I’m sure that John Woodgate will quickly reply “in detail” – the frequency limit relates directly to the “old” Long Wave” frequency band, which starts at 150kHz! J John E Allen W. London, UK From: 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org

[PSES] Frequency range for conducted emissions

2019-08-12 Thread 000006cee064502d-dmarc-request
Hello group, Does anyone know why the conducted emissions for ITE products starts at 150KHz and end at 30MHz? Why not start at 120KHz or 190KHz. Why finish at 30 and not 40MHz? Thank youPeter#yiv9843054295 -- filtered {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}#yiv9843054295 filtered

Re: [PSES] CE Marking and DoC for Multi Device Product

2019-08-12 Thread lauren . crane
Regarding upgrade, it might be feasible to look at it this way, depending on the fine point details. If the customer buys your upgrade parts in a B2B transaction (i.e. they essentially hire you to provide parts that will upgrade equipment they already own). Then the upgrade hardware is just

Re: [PSES] CE Marking and DoC for Multi Device Product

2019-08-12 Thread John Woodgate
That is what used to be called a 'system', although the term seems to have been dropped now. Each piece should be CE marked, otherwise the surveillance authorities won't know it's legitimate. You don't need a DoC for each bit, only for the system, but each bit needs an identifier, which could

[PSES] CE Marking and DoC for Multi Device Product

2019-08-12 Thread Brian Kunde
If I have an electronic product that I want to place on the market in Europe, and the product is made up of several individual electronic devices each powered by AC mains (packaged and sold together), do I place the CE marking on only one of the devices or all devices? And if the answer is "all

[PSES] GTEM cell used for RE measurement

2019-08-12 Thread Ken Javor
Does anyone out there have a simple transducer factor that yields rf potential at the GTEM cell vertex coaxial connector for a given vertical electric field component coupling to the cell septum? Purpose is to calculate gain/noise figure specs for a preamplifier used between spectrum analyzer and