Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Ken Javor
The typical spectrum analyzer / EMI receiver input only looks like 50 Ω with some input attenuation. Typically, they specify vswr in a 50 Ω system with 10 dB internal attenuation selected. -- Ken Javor (256) 650-5261 From: Richard Nute Reply-To: Date: Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:28

Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Richard Nute
This discussion not only applies to EMI testing, it also applies to high-frequency and fast risetime pulse voltage measurements. A 6 dB (2x voltage attenuation) or 10 dB (~3x voltage attenuation) in a 50-ohm system which would otherwise be subject to reflections due to impedance

Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Ken Javor
See previous response.  A transmission line needs a good match at each end to control vswr-related reflection uncertainty.  Assuming both antenna and EMI receiver provide that, no extra attenuation is required. -- Ken Javor (256) 650-5261 From: Paolo Roncone Date: Saturday, July 15,

Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Ken Javor
Receiver vswr is specified with 10 dB attenuation because the mixer itself is not 50 Ω. Antenna vswr is usually best in the middle of the usable frequency range.  Worst case at the low end for EMI antennas used down to 30 MHz, because except for half-wave dipoles, they are electrically

Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Paolo Roncone
Hi Ken and Tom Thanks for your inputs. Yes, the 6 dB pad is at the receiver input, in addition or not (depending on the signal level) to the built-in attenuator of the receiver. If the same 6dB pad is put at the antenna output instead of receiver input, it's at the other end of the cable

Re: [PSES] 6dB pad

2023-07-15 Thread Paolo Roncone
Hi Ken Thanks for your feedback. Why should the VSWR be specified with 10 dB attenuation? That would alter (for the better) the specified VSWR itself. I checked th e data sheets of 3 antennas that I'm using (a hybrid bilog, a log-periodic and a horn) and in all of them a "typical" VSWR is