Re: [PSES] Production Line testing for UL60950
Hi John, To my recollection (which gets fuzzier by the day), I think you will find product specific requirements in UL's FUS Report/s. Regards,Art A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Email : p...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, John Allen wrote: Can someone point me in the right direction (i.e.; what clause number can I find it??) regarding production line testing in UL60950-1. Thanks, John - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;sdoug...@ieee.orgGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Brick power supplies and test errors (two topics)
Re Trust but verify: President Ronald Reagan was using an old Russian proverb, in speaking to Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev about an arms control treaty . Although it was a very old adage, Reagan quoted the phrase in Russian to Gorbachev, to underline his meaning. In spoken Russian, the phrase rhymes. Here are some details: President Reagans favorite Russian saying regarding arms-control agreements doveryai, no proveryai, trust, but verify. Regards, Art Michael P.S. Happy Holidays to all == On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Doug Smith wrote: Hi All, A number of you have attended my web presentation on ESD/EFT internally generated in system power supplies. As little as 500 V of applied ESD or EFT is able to break down the supply in both polarities for only one applied polarity. I have posted on this before. Now, in addition, to the small wall plug power supplies tested, I have now confirmed that brick type supplies used in PCs can also exhibit these characteristics. Next to try on larger internal power supplies, likely to see the effect here too. We will see. When I was at Auspex Systems (1996-2001) we had 8 EMC radiated emissions tests performed on our equipment (three 1500 lb cabinets full of disk drives). Of these, 4 tests had significant test errors, two major and two minor errors, but all had a large impact to our company! The tests were done at three different labs over time, all made at least one error. Trust but verify. In 2010-2011, I evaluated 8 ESD guns, all had current calibration stickers. 2 of the 8 did not produce the correct output, off by a lot. Trust but verify. (Any of you know who said that quote? It is someone from a completely different field from us.) All the bad data I have ever seen, came from calibrated equipment. Here are some links on the above topics (if your computer puts a [1] in the link, remove it. Internet files do not end with [1]: http://www.emcesd.com/tt2014/tt120214.htm (my latest Technical Tidbit) December 2010, Comparing IEC 61000-4-2 Compliant ESD Simulators March 2011, Using High Frequency Measurement of ESD Current to Find Problems with an ESD Simulator Also check out my YouTube channel tech videos, 100,000 view now. Look for Doug Smith EMC and that should bring up my channel. I am not one of the Doug Smiths who are musicians. Doug -- University of Oxford Tutor Department for Continuing Education Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom -- ___ _Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 60941 = Boulder City, NV 89006-0941 _ / \ / \ _TEL/FAX: 702-570-6108/570-6013 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o | Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Web: http://www.dsmith.org -- - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to LT;emc-p...@ieee.orgGT; All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas LT;sdoug...@ieee.orgGT; Mike Cantwell LT;mcantw...@ieee.orgGT; For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher LT;j.bac...@ieee.orgGT; David Heald LT;dhe...@gmail.comGT; - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] HAR factories for marked cable
Hi Peter et al, Here is a link to the official HAR Fact Sheet [as found on Safetylink.com]; http://www.eepca.eu/dev/page.php?p=203 Best regards, Art Product Safety Int'l Middletown, CT 06457 www.safetylink.com = On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Peter Tarver ptar...@enphaseenergy.comwrote: Good afternoon. A cable supplier has mentioned that cables cannot bear the HAR marking if they are not manufactured within an EU country. This seems to be buried in HAR agreement documents that are out of my reach. Can anyone confirm this? Regards, Peter L. Tarver This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, disclose or distribute this message. If you received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. - - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoquim
Hello John et al, The English language while blasted by many as difficult, is a marvel in itself. I did not need to look up the invented word Provoquim or Provoquium in any dictionary. It's meaning was obvious at first glance. Very clever of you, John Pearson! What do you think of my invention: emailversation ?? Is its meaning obvious at first glance. I think so. Again, you can blame the English language for that - or just enjoy the invention. While some have mentioned the commercial aspects of safety compliance, I've always referred to them as the product safety Laws of Economics. Try marketing your electrical product to a major retailer in the U.S. without safety certifications; it is mandated by J.C. Penney, K-Mart, Walmart, Target, Sears, QVC, etc., etc., etc. Many of them even have their own test labs to verify the safety of the electrical products they procure and ultimately market to consumers. In the U.S. insurers of industrial/commercial sites also require electrical safety certification of products utilized in those industrial/commercial sites. In my own experience of 30+ years of electrical safety compliance, IBM (and other bigs) will not even evaluate an alternate manufacturer's power supply, until it bears valid electrical safety cert's. The Law of Economics is loud and clear; it mandates electical product safety compliance for the buyer's offerings. Best regards, Art Michael A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Email : p...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com = On Sat, 18 Aug 2012, John Woodgate wrote: In message 037701cd7d34$3926d4f0$ab747ed0$@mcauley, dated Sat, 18 Aug 2012, John McAuley john.mcau...@cei.ie writes: BTW, has a new word, ?Provoqium?, been invented? I can?t find it in any dictionary. Comes up as a variation of provoke. The spelling is 'unorfadox'! Provoquium would be legitimate classical Latin, from provoco, provocare - to challenge, provoke or bring about. The 'ium' suffix is for 'a place where...', as in 'auditorium', and the modulation of 'provocium' to 'provoquium' is conventional. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into total confusion. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Wireless Telephone and Wireless Internet Clash
HI Scott, We had to move a 2.4 GHz cordless phone away from a nearby router and that solved a plethora of problems in our home. We then replaced that phone with a 900 MHz cordless oldie-but-goodie phone and the problems did not reappear. Good Luck, Art == On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Scott Douglas wrote: Hello All, We have a situation in our house. Two years ago our cable system went Chapter 7. So we signed up with an ISP that provides a wireless Internet connection. Radio and antenna are 40 feet up in the big tree out front of the house and operates at 915 MHz. The radio is connected to our router (in the basement wiring cabinet) via shielded CAT-5. The house is wired with CAT-5 in every room and all terminate at the wiring cabinet. The external power supply feeding power to the radio (POE) is located in the basement wiring cabinet right next to the routers EPS. We regularly have Internet problems, losing connection, extremely slow transfer rates, etc. It seems particularly bad between 6 and 10 pm (usually a few hours in that block of time). It is pretty consistent (almost daily). Our ISP pings every radio in the system every 15 seconds and plots the return time. Normally we run in the 10 to 20 msec range. But when it goes bad, ping times can exceed 3-5 SECONDS! Or sometimes it just cannot talk at all. Our radio power levels are always quite strong (-59 to -63 dBm), even when we cannot ping or pass data. The ISP compares my return response to another radio less than a mile away from me. Theirs is always rock steady, nary a ping over 30 msec. He showed me plots of both radio power levels and ping response times and it is very clear to me that my system is falling down a lot, to the point of not even being able to use it. The router is only a year old, the laptop is only 3 months old. We had these same problems with the old router and the old desktop too. The mains wiring is all less than 10 years old and mechanically screwed down rather than stripped and poked into the outlet, etc. I even went around to check connections and tightened some loose screws in the old part of the house two years ago. When I wired the house, I took extra care to keep good routing and separation of AC, CAT-5, and RF. All network and RF connectors are good quality and poor crimp connections were not tolerated. Everything is tight and in good order. The ISP says it is not the radio, but somehow the data is getting hosed before it can be modulated onto the carrier. He thinks it is something in my house causing the problem. He said he has seen problems before with wireless telephones, Blackberry's, motion detectors, and some other things. We do have a 900 MHz wireless telephone that is 5-7 years old. After my most recent conversation with the ISP, I decided to disconnect the 900 MHz wireless phone. I had not told the ISP and tonight he emailed me and asked what we had done. He said the system graphs had improved dramatically. Next week we are going to plug the phone back in and see if the problem repeats. My question(s) to the list are how do you explain this? Is it radiated as in two radios beating against each other or your more normal radiated EMI getting in the system hardware? Is it conducted on the mains or the network wiring? Where is the ingress occurring? Can the phone make enough EMI to trash the data getting into the radio? I will also be looking for a solution (besides trashing the phone). I have my ideas and opinions but will hold those for now. As always, I will be looking forward to the interesting comments, ideas, and solutions that come from you all. Thanks in advance for your replies. Best, Scott - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
Re: [PSES] Mandatory NRTL certification
Hi all, Regardless of the OSHA requirements already addressed within this list, don't lose sight of the fact that there's The Law of Economics at play here as well. I don't believe any major retailer (Walmart, Target, K-Mart, Sears, etc.) will accept electrical/electronic products without NRTL markings. Some even have their own test labs to further satisfy themselves that the products are safe. Additionally, in the workplace or other commercial structures, it's a requirement of most insurance policies that electrical/electronic products bear NRTL markings. Best regards, Art A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Email : p...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Experts and Wisdom
Hi PSTC-ers, Here is Mark Twain's take on wisdom: A man never reaches that dizzy height of wisdom that he can no longer be led by the nose. - Mark Twain's Notebook Happy New Year to all, Art A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Email : p...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: TV-1 ROCKET SWITCH ILLUMINATED
Hello Reginald, Just go to the UL Certifications Database (at www.ul.com) and put TV-1 into the field called Keyword (it's the last one on the data input page). The results yield 4 listings, one for a US company, the others in Japan. Regards, Art Michael http://www.safeytlink.com The web's most comprehensive collection of electrical product safety and standards resources = On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Reginald Henry wrote: All, I have a product that is currently under an UL Investigation TO THE UL STANDARD 2044 (CCTV) I NEED TO FIND A MANUFACTURER OF A TV-1 SWITCH. SPECIFICALLY IT NEEDS TO HAVE... TV-1 SWITCH 1) ILLUMINATION 2) ROCKET SWITCH 3) Current Range .5 - 1amp MUST HAVE TV-1 RATING AND UL RECOGNIZED COMPONENT Best Regards, Reg Henry Reginald Henry Electrical Engineer P Please think before printing this e-mail Tel: (631) 952-2288Ext: 310 Tel: (800) 645-9116Ext: 310 Web: http://www.vicon-cctv.com/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereof) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in it's entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by the company. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Position Open, NECA, Director of Safety
Hello all, This opening crossed my desk earlier today; please contact Earl Hopgood, agency contact listed at the end of this message if interested. I have no further details and I'm passing this along as a courtesy to Earl. Regards, Art Michael www.safetylink.com = NECA, Director of Safety Summary: JDG Associates has been engaged by the National Electrical Contractors Association to conduct the search for the position of Director of Safety. Headquartered in Bethesda, MD, NECA’s national office and its 120 local chapters advance the electrical contracting industry through advocacy, education, research, and standards development. Founded in 1901, NECA is the voice of the $100 billion electrical contracting industry and works to promote higher standards, quality workmanship, and training for a skilled workforce. NECA's key functions include: Assistance to local chapters in the negotiation and administration of labor agreements with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers; Publications and workshops; The Electrical Contractor magazine; The industry’s premiere annual convention and trade show. The position reports to the Executive Director of Standards and Safety. The Director of Safety’s mission is: To foster a commitment to workplace health and safety in the electrical contracting industry. To promote safety programs and training that helps save lives, reduce workplace accidents, injuries, and illness. To help reduce costs associated with workplace accidents. Please visit NECA at www.necanet.org Compensation: $75,000 to 85,000 plus excellent benefits If interested, please contact: Earl Hopgood, Principal JDG Associates, Ltd. 1700 Research Boulevard Rockville, MD 20850 301-661-8423 (cell) Email: ehopg...@cox.net - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: ANSI Z535 Graphics/Label Design
Hello Rick, It has taken me a while to re-locate this valuable resource. St. Claire, Inc. offers their web-based Safety Sign Builder 2.0 at no cost other than a simple registration a request for a donation once you have logged-in. It's very useful and enables on to design ANSI or OSHA safety signs in English, Spanish and French. I've mounted their link in the Safety Link's EHS OHS Resources section at: www.safetylink.com/resources/ergonomics-occupational-health-resources/ The abovmentioned resource is the sixth link in that section. Best regards, Art Michael, Webmaster of the Safety Link http://www.safetylink.com/ o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--0--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection of product safety and standards resources on the WEB. Nearly one million visitors can't be wrong! = On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, rick.m.bus...@l-3com.com wrote: I am looking to create a single safety label in accordance with ANSI Z535 standards. Obviously I would like to create this label myself using the correct graphics, colors, etc. Can anyone tell me if icons are available on line of if there might be a CD or software package I could purchase to design unique labels? FYI, these will not be used on product, but rather for identification of hazards for test equipment. Thanks Rick Rick Busche Environmental Test Engineer L-3 Communications (801) 594-2546 rick.m.bus...@l-3com.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Wiring question
Hello David, With respect to U.S. requirements; You may be hard put to find a suitable MIL connector with a NRTL approval - which is generally required on components connected to primary wiring. In my experience, the same can be said for MIL wire. You can always submit the connectors or wire for NRTL 'approval' but that is both time-consuming and expensive - with no guarantee of a successful outcome. Best regards, Art Michael, Webmaster of the Safety Link -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- | http://www.safetylink.com/ | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | | of product safety and standards resources on the WEB. | | Nearly one million visitors can't be wrong! | || | http://www.safetylink.com/ | -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- == On Wed, 7 May 2008, Gelfand, David wrote: I have been asked to evaluate a radio transmitter system with an ITE interface. I have no experience with wiring and codes. The designer wants to take single phase 120/230 Vac primary and connect it to a circular MIL connector on a panel. From the panel, he wants to run a 1.5km shielded outdoor cable, MIL connecter to MIL connector, to a second location, to another panel MIL connector. The design should be accepable in both USA and Europe. Assuming that - both locations are properly grounded, - the wire is properly rated for outdoors, for voltage and current, - there is sufficient clearance on the connectors, - this is in a restricted access area; What issues are involved? Can he use the shield to carry the ground or does he need a separate internal ground wire? Your input is much appreciated. Thanks, Dave David Gelfand Conformity Specialist Kontron Canada Inc. 616 Curé Boivin Boisbriand QC Canada J7G 2A7 450 437 5682 x2449 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: LVD voltage limits
Hi John, The following article was published in the last issue of Int'l Product Safety News. Enjoy! Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 _EC2000 Beyond_ Major Changes Proposed for the Low Voltage Directive by Arthur E. Michael, Editor, Int'l Product Safety News* The working document LVD Update.4 details proposals which have been in development since 2001 for updating of the Low Voltage Directive 73/23/EEC (LVD). There are significant changes proposed and we draw your attention to the following: Re Voltage Range: ... for use with a supply or output voltage not exceeding 1000 Volt for alternating current and 1500 Volt for direct current . The minimum voltages, previously designated as 50V AC 75V DC are noticeably absent in the proposal. Therefore, the lower end of the range is proposed to be 0V AC or DC. Re Components: The directive shall not apply to the following equipment: Basic components intended to be incorporated into electrical equipment whose compliance with the essential requirements of this Directive cannot be assessed independently. The original LVD called for equipment to be safe - and then is fairly quiet on what safe entails. The proposed directive, in Annex I (titled, Essential health and safety requirements) provides a long list of required 'protections'. Under the topic of Electric Shock and other electrical hazards it lists: Leakage Current, Energy Supply, ESD, Arcs and these must all take into account electrical, mechanical, chemical and physical stresses. Additional hazards that the user must be protected from include Fire Hazards, Mechanical Hazards, Other Hazards (including explosions caused by the product itself or by substances produced, emitted or used by the equipment); this section lists an additional 12 subdivisions of hazards. Annex I also calls for protection again hazards arising from incorrect functioning, hazards arising from electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields, other ionizing and non-ionizing radiation. Ergonomic compliance is also a requirement of this proposal. The proposal provides a detailed listing of Information Requirements which covers elements such as identification of the equipment by means such as type, batch, serial number or similar. It also requires instructions, identification of the manufacturer, and the name of the responsible person in the EC if the manufacturer is not established in the EC. The proposal calls for instructions for safe installation, maintenance, cleaning, operation, storage and warnings where potential risks are not evident. There is much more of interest in this proposal that we cannot address due to space considerations. The latest iteration of the full report, titled, LVD Update.4 is now available on the Europa site, we located a copy at: europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/electr_equipment/lv/direct/lvdupdate4.pdf And, a report commissioned by the UK's Dept. of Trade and Industry, titled, Limited Regulatory Impact Assessment on the revised limits for the Low Voltage Directive, dated APR 2002, can be found at: www.com-met2005.org.uk/events_lit/newsletters/DTI_LVD_Report.pdf Reprinted with permission of Int'l Product Safety News, Vol 16, No, 5 Sept/Oct 2003. Copyright 2003 Arthur E. Michael For further information, see: www.safetylink.com/ipsninfo.html REF: IPSN1608.A 3.4K char's - On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Tyra, John wrote: Hello Everyone, I have read on this list and have been told by TUV that the lower limits for the voltages of products which fall under the Low Voltage Directive may be eliminated so that low voltage products would now fall under that directive. On the Europa website I read an LVD Working Document, dated 7/13/01, that there were two proposals: 1. Delete the lower limit and introduce risk assessment similar to the Machinery Directive 2. Leave the limits as is but add an annex to include certain low voltage products, lighting system, household appliances, TV/Radio etc I found a Working Guide for the LVD dated 3/7/02 which showed that there are countries which favor one or the other proposal while the UK favored no change.. Does anyone have any new information or can point me in the direction which would give me a more recent an update of this proposal? I am very interested in where this proposal is heading.. Thanks in advance for your help.. Regards, John Tyra Product Safety and Regulatory Compliance Manager Bose Corporation The Mountain, MS-450 Framingham, MA 01701-9168 Phone: 508-766-1502 Fax: 508-766-1145 john_t...@bose.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our
Re: Product Safety Society By-Laws
Hi Jacob, I'll get back to you on 31 FEB '04 on that subject. Best regards, Art Michael * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * International Product Safety Bookshop * * Check out our current offerings! * * http://www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html * * Another new service of the Safety Link * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Jacob Schanker wrote: The IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society has an interesting clause in their By-Laws regarding the payment of dues: 8.1 Society annual assessment of fees The annual Society fee shall be determined by action of the Board of Directors. Failure of a Society member to pay the annual Society fee will not render him liable to dismissal from the IEEE. Any Society member who fails to pay such fee before 31 February of each year will be automatically dropped from the Society membership. Anyone care to comment on this? (It is Friday, after all!) Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. 65 Crandon Way Rochester, NY 14618 Tel: 585 442 3909 Fax: 585 442 2182 j.schan...@ieee.org This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Bible for Safety engineers
Hello David, See: www.safetylink.com/bookshop.html for a list of electrical safety compliance and emc resources. Regards, Art Michael On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 david.gra...@realcompliance.com wrote: Hello Group, Does anybody have any recommendations for books on electrical / mechanical safety? Many thanks, Dave Graham. This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: 94V-0 question
Hello Dave, Nomex paper (sheet stock) will do the trick, I believe. Best regards, Art Michael, Editor, IPSN -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| || | Int'l Product Safety News | |(It's our 15th Anniversary 1988-2003 | | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | email: i...@safetylink.com| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 drcuthb...@micron.com wrote: I need a sheet of plastic that goes between a PCB and a metal enclosure. This is to make a creepage spec. What plastics are good for this? Will polycarbonate be suitable and have a 94V-0 rating? Thanks. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: NARTE safety engineer certification
Hello Peter, I believe the plan is to make the official announcement of the NARTE Product Safety Engineer Cert'n program at the IEEE EMC Symposium (Boston-August). Patience, Little Grasshoppre, Patience. I do agree that the earlier announcement may have been a bit premature (and perhaps NARTE was overwhelmed by the response). Best regards, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| || | Int'l Product Safety News | |(It's our 15th Anniversary 1988-2003 | | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | email: i...@safetylink.com| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- [ On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Peter L. Tarver wrote: I received what amounts to a courtesy response from NARTE this morning. It only took four weeks and as many weekly pleas for a response, including boosting the importance of the last e-mail. My confidence in the value of NARTE's program is uninspired. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Peter L. Tarver Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:03 AM Out of curiosity, I wrote NARTE directly regarding the below, to see what benefit they believe NARTE certification would offer someone who already has experience in product safety and a PE Registration. It's been a week and they have not responded. Perhaps that's their answer. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: gr...@test4safety.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 2:48 PM It’s also worth noting that NARTE will begin the Grandfathering phase for their Certified Product Safety Engineer/Technician award: you can get more information by registering on the 501(c)(iii) (Charity) site of www.eGlobalEd.Org Best regards Gregg --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Need cheap hotel close to EMC show
Hi Charles, That's a tall order (request). My recommendations, look for hotels in Tewksbury (about 30 miles North and a bit West of Boston). There'e a plethora of hotels, suites,etc. and not a lot of business in those surroundings these days. It's accessible by I-93 and between Lowell and Andover. Another clutch of hotels can be found in and around Woburn near junction of I-95 and State RT 3. Another place to look is in Marlborough MA, near Junction of I-495 and State RT 20 where you will find close to half a dozen hotels. This is also 25-30 miles outside (West) of Boston. Best regards, Good Luck, Art Michael -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- |http://www.safetylink.com | || | The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection | |of product safety and standards links on the WEB| || | Int'l Product Safety News | |(It's our 15th Anniversary 1988-2003 | | P.O.Box 1561 - WWW | |Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. | | Phone: (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 | | email: i...@safetylink.com| -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Grasso, Charles wrote: any one have recommendations?? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; mailto:charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email Alternate: chasgra...@ieee.org mailto:chasgra...@ieee.org This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Need 230VAC-115VAC 500VA Step-down Isolation Transformer with UL, cUL, and CE
Hello Bill, Do you need 1, 10, 1000 or more of these transformers? That'l help me direct you to the right source. And, will this be mounted internally to your equipment, or standing on the floor next to it? Regards, Art Michael A.E. Michael, Dir. of Engineering Product Safety Int'l 166 Congdon St. East Middletown CT 06457-2107 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : p...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Bill Johnson wrote: Hi! I apologize if this is an inappropriate question for this forum. I am trying to select the above component for a product we are designing. I have found transformers with no approvals, one with UL and cUL, but not CE. Any advice on where to look or how to select such a component would be a great help! Thanks! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Looking for Tables of Metric Wire Sizes
Good Morning John, Visit the Safety Link www.safetylink.com and search (Control-F) on the term ILSCO Wire Gauge Comparison Charts - Lots of good info there. While at the Safety Link also search (Control-F) on the term wire charts for resources provided by Alpha Wire. Regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, John Barnes wrote: EMC-PSTC'ers, Where can I find a table(s) or list(s) of the preferred wire sizes (electrical and otherwise) used in Europe, Japan, and other countries on the metric system? I'm looking for: * Names/numbers of standards. * URL's for wire-manufacturer's websites. * URL's for distributors' catalogs. * URL's for web pages on the subject. * URL's for linecord manufacturer's web pages. OR * Anything of the sort that may lead me to this information. Or can you tell me from your own experience which of the following (or other?) gages are currently used outside the US? I've gone through manufacturer's catalogs, searched the Internet, and looked through some 15 bookcases of electronics and metal-working books in my personal collection without finding a definitive answer as to which metric wire gages are currently used worldwide. I am working on the ampacity (current-carrying capacity) appendix to my new book, Robust Electronic Design Reference, which I am writing for Kluwer. I also plan to put the wire gage information on dBi's web site, to make it readily available so that I can get comments and corrections via the Internet. In the US we use American Wire Gage (AWG, also called Brown Sharp Gage, BS) and even gages for the most part, which correspond to a roughly 20% reduction in diameter for each step. So far I have found tables that specify metric cross-sectional area in: * Hitachi Electronic Wires and Cables catalog, 1991-- page 278 lists JIS sizes for 0.035, 0.05, 0.1, 0.14, 0.18. 0.2, 0.3, 0.5, 0.75, 1.25, 2, 3.5, 5.5, 8, 14, 22, 38, 60, and 100 mm^2. * Oleflex Cable Advanced Cable Technology catalog, 1984/1985-- page 54 lists European Cable Stranding for 0.14, 0.25, 0.34, 0.38, 0.5, 0.75, 1.0, 1.5, 2.5, 4, 6, 10, 16, 25, 35, 50, 70, 95, 120, 150, 185, 240, 300, 400, and 500 mm^2. * IEC 950, 1996-- Table 11 lists sizes of conductors for power supply cords of 0.75, 1.00, 1.25, 1.5, 2.5, 4, 6, 10, 16, 25, 35, and 50 mm^2. I have found tables that specify metric diameters for solid wires: * Querschnitt und Gewicht von Runddrahten aus Kupfer, date unknown-- page unknown lists Durchmesser (diameters) of 0.04, 0.05, 0.56, 0.06, 0.063, 0.07, 0.08, 0.09, 0.1, 0.112, 0.118, 0.125, 0.132, 0.14, 0.15, 0.16, 0.17, 0.18, 0.19, 0.2, 0.224, 0.236, 0.25, 0.265, 0.28, 0.3, 0.315, 0.335, 0.355, 0.38, 0.4, 0.425, 0.45, 0.475, 0.5, 0.53, 0.56, 0.6, 0.63, 0.65, 0.71, 0.75, 0.8, 0.85, 0.9, 0.95, 1, 1.06, 1.12, 1.18, 1.25, 1.32, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.8, 2, 2.5, 2.65, and 3 mm. * Metric wire gage-- gages 0.5 to 100 corresponding to diameters of 0.050mm to 10.0mm. * German Wire Gage (GWG)-- gages 1 through 25 corresponding to diameters of 5.5mm to 0.438mm. I've also found tables based on diameters in inches: * British Standard Wire Gage (SWG), also called New British Standard (NBS), English Legal Standard, and Imperial Wire Gage. * Birmingham Wire Gage (BWG), also called Stub's Iron Wire Gage. * London Gage, also called the Old English Wire Gage. * Twist Drill Gage. * Stubs Steel Wire Gage. * Steel Wire Gage (Stl.W.G.), also called Washburn Moen (WM), Roebling steel wire gage, or American Steel Wire Co.'s gage. * Steel music wire gage. * Music wire gage. But some of my sources go back to the 1940's, so I don't know how far I can trust them... Thanks! John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, ESDC Eng, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ (859)253-1178 phone (859)252-6128 fax --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at:
RE: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark?
Hello David, The link provided by Andre (cut from your e-mail and pasted into my browser) worked! Try it again. (Internet Explorer sometimes lies :-) Also checkout the parent page for the link Andred provided: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/regulation/pecas/pecas.htm Additional info can be found via the Google search too if you search on the term- PECAS +Europe Best regards, Art Michael Int'l Product Safety News A.E. Michael, Editor P.O. Box 1561 INT Middletown CT 06457-8061 U.S.A. Phone : (860) 344-1651 Fax: (860) 346-9066 Email : i...@safetylink.com Website: http://www.safetylink.com ISSN : 1040-7529 On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, David Patton wrote: Andre: The URL which you provided is not a valid web page. Can you please resend, and verify that the link is proper before sending? Thanks! Best Regards David Patton Patton Associates 82 Wildwood Drive Prescott, Arizona 86305-5093 USA Tel: +1.928.771.2900 Fax: +1.928.771.2990 Mobile: +1.928.899.6699 Toll Free: +1.877.311.8735 E Mail: pat...@patton-assoc.com Web: http://www.patton-assoc.com Telecommunications Consulting, Design, and Regulatory Type Approvals for Europe, North America, South America, and the Pacific Rim -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Andre, Pierre-Marie Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:05 AM To: Mike Cantwell; Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: RE: EU ascensions - Which countries officially accept the CE mark? Mike, May be you can find the answer at : http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/regulation/pecas/pecas_negotiations .htm Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
