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Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-17 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Thank you for pointing to IEC 62911 standard.

Chuck

From: Boštjan Glavič 
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RJ45 and XLR sockets

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Hello Chuck,

Typical issue with reading the standard. Standard IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed only 
defines routine tests on some components, where there is a reference to routine 
tests (e.g. transformer, optocoupler,... - search for reference to 5.4.9.2). 
Complete unit shall be tested in production based on requirements of IEC 62911 
standard.

Best regards,
Boštjan

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I'm working with a new lab and new product using IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed.
they are asking the company to perform production line test dielectric voltage 
withstand test of 3600 Vp or DC 1 to 4 seconds on Ethernet port connector RJ45 
and Pro Audio XLR connector sockets?
"Between primary to other accessible conductive part- L/N of plus pins to 
accessible unearthed socket terminals"

Can I use the IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed. blunt probe of Figure V.3 to show that the 
pins are not accessible and need not be tested?

Anyone else must production line Hipot Ethernet port connector RJ45 or Pro 
Audio XLR connector sockets?

Thank you for the help.

Chuck

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[PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-16 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

I'm working with a new lab and new product using IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed.
they are asking the company to perform production line test dielectric voltage 
withstand test of 3600 Vp or DC 1 to 4 seconds on Ethernet port connector RJ45 
and Pro Audio XLR connector sockets?
"Between primary to other accessible conductive part- L/N of plus pins to 
accessible unearthed socket terminals"

Can I use the IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed. blunt probe of Figure V.3 to show that the 
pins are not accessible and need not be tested?

Anyone else must production line Hipot Ethernet port connector RJ45 or Pro 
Audio XLR connector sockets?

Thank you for the help.


Chuck


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Re: [PSES] UL1007 vs VW-1 Flammability ratings

2023-10-31 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi Steve,

I think you meant UL 1007 Style wire and VW-1 flammability testing.
This is common in USA, Most UL 1007 Style wire is duel rated to Style 1569 also.

The UL standard for Appliance Wiring Material (AWM) is UL 758.
“UL Standard 758 Appliance Wiring Materials was developed to
consolidate general requirements for AWM, and standardize methods
of evaluation. The standard includes performance requirements and
methods for testing tensile strength and elongation, spark testing and
dielectric voltage withstand. UL 758 also regulates marking and labeling
of AWM products.”

The “style” number describes a construction that wire manufactures can make. 
Standardization of AWM.
We use Style UL 1007 /  Style 1569 for Internal wiring with details on 
construction at the bottom of this note.

Generally, a manufactures datasheet for style UL 1007 / 1569 will note that it 
is also marked “VW-1“ or
noted in compliance section Flammability / Reaction to Fire: VW-1

For an example google “Belden 9918” or “Alpha Wire 3055”

The Alpha wire marking is:
ALPHA WIRE E163869- RU AWM STYLES 1569 105C OR 1007 80C VW-1 300V 18 AWG ---

The UL Style 1007 construction is;
Single Conductor with extruded insulation
RATING 80 deg C, 300 Vac, Horizontal flame. Optional - 60 deg C or 80 deg C Oil.
CONDUCTOR 32 AWG - 16 AWG, Solid or Stranded.
INSULATION Extruded PVC, 15 mils minimum average thickness, 13 mils minimum 
thickness at any point.
STANDARD Appliance Wiring Material UL 758.
MARKING General.
USE Internal wiring of appliances. Tags may indicate the following: 600 V Peak 
- For Electronic Use Only.

Style 1569 construction is;
Single Conductor with extruded insulation
RATING 80, 90 or 105 deg C, 300 Vac, Horizontal flame.
CONDUCTOR 30 AWG - 2 AWG, solid or stranded.
INSULATION Extruded PVC.
Conductor size Minimum average thickness Minimum thickness at any point
30-10 AWG 15 mils 13 mils
9-2 AWG 30 mils 27 mils
COVERING Optional, Extruded PVC, 9 mils minimum average thickness, 8 mils 
minimum thickness at any point.
STANDARD Appliance Wiring Material UL 758.
MARKING General.
USE Internal wiring of appliances or electronic equipment where not subjected 
to movement or
mechanical damage. Tag may also indicate the following, "600 Volts Peak for 
Electronic Use Only."

Hopefully that is helpful.
Chuck in Berkeley

From: Richard Nute 
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Subject: Re: [PSES] UL1007 vs VW-1 Flammability ratings


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Hi Steve:

I thought UL 1007 was the UL standard for wire.  I was wrong.  UL 1007 is for 
prefabricated assemblies that are installed in the field.

UL 1007 does not mention flammability of wire insulation.

A UL standard for wire is UL 2556; it does not include requirements for surface 
printing.

I suggest you examine the wire for surface printing.  At the very least, the 
surface printing will include the UL file number.  Using this number, you can 
go to the UL website and look up the file which will include the flammability 
rating of the insulation.

If you are lucky, the surface printing will include the insulation flammability 
rating.

Or, you can go to the wire manufacturer web site where you can find the wire 
insulation flammability rating.

Or, ask the battery box manufacturer for a copy of his UL or CE report.  This 
*may* include data about the wire.

Boo!  Happy Halloween! 
Richard
Bend, Oregon

https://www.radix-wire.com/products/vw-1/vw-1-flame-rating-requirements/



From: Stephen Clarke [U3C] 
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Subject: RE: [PSES] UL1007 vs VW-1 Flammability ratings

Hi Richard,

EN62368-1 asks for Flammability of VW-1

But the manufacturers data sheet states UL1007 for the wiring
I am trying to compare to see if they are equivalent or similar.


Regards

Steve Clarke
Test Engineer

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Hi Steve:

VW-1 is roughly equivalent to V-1 except applies to wire.

Richard
Bend, Oregon

From: Stephen Clarke [U3C] 
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 8:50 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] UL1007 vs VW-1 Flammability ratings

Hello Experts

I have a battery box that has wiring to UL1007. I can see that UL1007 has a 
vertical flame

Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China

2023-08-11 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Yes, I have had China Customs open a shipment of 10 powered speakers and find 
one power cord was not from an approved manufacture on our critical components 
list.
We were short one cord set so I had used an engineering sample… Had right plug 
and cordage, just not on our products components list.
Customs returned the shipment to USA as non compliant.

Chuck

From: Ralph McDiarmid 
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 6:01 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China


[THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]
How would the customs folks in those countries check appliance line cords ?   
Do they open boxes, pull contents, and inspect?

If the USA plug is not rated for higher voltage, does it really present a 
hazard ?  (compliance vs safety)  The USA/Canadian plugs have a LOTS of 
creepage distance between conductors.

From: Douglas Powell mailto:doug...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 7:00 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China

All,

I was talking with a client recently about shipping line cords to various 
countries around the world and how some do not allow the incorrect cords within 
a shipment while others do. Brazil, as far as I know, does not permit incorrect 
cordage. Argentina, Australia, and China (PRC) are all mutually exclusive. 
South Africa and India are mutually exclusive. Japan, Taiwan, and the United 
States are all mutually exclusive. If not prohibited, it is frequently cheaper 
to include multiple cords rather than create multiple regional SKUs when 
products are in low-volume production.

That said, apparently the China market often likes to use US-style receptacles 
(types A or B), even though they use 220 V (). The US-style plug has better 
density (twice as many receptacles in the same space as the China receptacle 
(Type C, or I ?), and with the US receptacles, there are many more aftermarket 
cable options available.  So I suppose that's my question: "Is this usage 
typical in China?"

Of course, the big issue is that the US plug is not rated for the higher 
voltages, even though historically some people may say it works.  I even fouind 
a website that shows this, 
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/essential/electricity.htm

I believe it is critical for manufacturers to not condone the use of the US 
plug in this manner, which appears to be common practice. And I usually advise 
that this type of usage should never be described, recommended, or mentioned in 
any manuals, brochures, or other written material produced by a company, either 
externally or internally. If anyone is injured and an investigation reveals 
agreement with this usage, the company may be held liable.

Thoughts??

-Doug


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Laporte, Colorado, USA
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Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates

2023-06-20 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi Brian,

I subscribe to ANSI Standards Action.
Standards Action is ANSI's free weekly publication covering current standards 
development activities in the U.S. and internationally.
https://www.ansi.org/resource-center/standards-action

Chuck in Berkeley

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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates


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Hi Brian,

If you are only interested in getting updates on standards, Techstreet has a 
free service that 
is helpful, which you can tailor to get updates on the specific standards you 
are interested in.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:17 AM Philip Stevenson 
mailto:pw...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
Dear Brian

To keep up to date with TEC standard updates you can get a free subscription to 
the IEC Webstore monthly IEC Just Published Newsletter via Email.

You can subscribe at:
IEC - International Electrotechnical Commission 
(list-manage.com)

Hope this helps.

Regards

Philip Stevenson

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Graevinghoff Andreas 
(XC-HWP/PJ-ESR)
Sent: 20 June 2023 07:51
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates

Hi Brian,

Another option would be the IEC public commenting service to get access & 
comment on IEC draft standards:

https://www.iec.ch/how-get-involved/public-commenting

The service will notify you by e-mail as new drafts become available, access is 
possible during the comment period.

Andreas

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Dr. Andreas Graevinghoff

Cross-Domain Computing Solutions, Project - Engineering System Rack 
(XC-HWP/PJ-ESR)
Robert Bosch GmbH | Postfach 30 02 40 | 70442 Stuttgart | GERMANY | 
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Dr. Tanja Rückert

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates


Hi Brian:

Here are two suggestions:

Nemko “News in Brief” by Trond Sollie
https://www.nemko.com/newsletter-signup?utm_campaign=GL+%7C+News+In+Brief+%7C+2023_medium=email&_hsmi=260848842&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9wg1SKLg3ST3lYTRveyREPMCOsX59duFm4ykvI1h4BlxMCmJDd1wPbs0VeVrYM0_W6GpdGfdkrBjqi51fuXKs-m00DTw_content=260848842_source=hs_email

Intertek:
https://www.intertek.com/regulatory-resources/

I suspect there are other similar sources, but they may be hard to find.

Good luck!
Rich


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Subject: [PSES] Tracking standards updates


Good afternoon compliance colleagues,

Have a curiously open-ended question from a major OEM who's very 
process-oriented.
So, I'm gathering ideas on how to track standard updates and changes in 
multiple markets (US, EU, etc.).

I'm familiar with IAEI for collaborating with NA inspectors on NEC updates, and 
know that UL & ETL have various update notice/networks, but have no idea how to 
track IEC updates, nor residential code changes for someplace like the UK.  
This is applicable mostly for safety, perhaps a little on EMC.

thanks!

"Colorado" Brian
720-450-4933

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Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

2023-06-09 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Friday’s attempt at humor…
So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft?

Chuck in Berkeley

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety

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Huff,

No national nor international is available yet.

AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.
And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter in 
1980s - 1990s.

Regards, Vincent

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff 
mailto:dh...@vermeer.com>> wrote:

All,

I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence and machine 
vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and I am looking for ISO or 
IEC standards or similar related guidance.  My theory is that this is such new 
territory very little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for 
international guidance.

Thanks,

David

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[PSES] LISN rated for 120V~ could I run at 230V~ for pretesting?

2023-05-17 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi,
I have inherited a LISN rated for 120V~ could I run at 230V~ for pretesting?
Thank you for help on this question.

Chuck in Berkeley

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Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC

2023-03-01 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

We are going to print on the EU DoC page other side…
2-sided printing to save paper.
One part number to save labor.

From: MIKE SHERMAN 
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC

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Yes, that is what we concluded.
In addition, there is some other terminology that differs between the two that 
your client might have to deal with.

Mike
Sherman PSC LLC
On 03/01/2023 1:29 PM 
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 wrote:

Hello Group,

I have a client that wishes to use a single DoC for both EU (CE) and UK (UKCA). 
He has figured out everything except one area and that is the address/location 
for signature. Does he have to have two addresses shown on the DoC for 
signature? One in EU and one in UK?

Thanks
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[PSES] Testing 2 cubic foot plywood enclosure to UL 2043 Fire Test for Heat and Smoke in Air Handling Space

2022-12-21 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi,

Happy Holiday's everyone.

I'm writing for an opinion or comment on whether a one to two cubic foot square 
box made of one-half inch thickness hardwood plywood will pass the UL 2043 Fire 
Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their 
Accessories Installed in Air-Handling Spaces.

I am curious about how all-wood boxes perform or lack there-of.

Thank you,


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[PSES] NOM Mexico safety mark annual renewal required?

2022-04-23 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi,

General question on NOM Mexico safety mark.
I seem to be in annual renewal programs with three different labs,
Does anyone know of a longer than one year NOM registration program?

Our product are mostly certified under NOM-001-SOFI-2018.
Samples and fees are required.

Possible use of CB based program?


Thank you,

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Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug

2021-08-04 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Excellent, Thank you.

Chuck August-McDowell
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
2832 San Pablo Ave.
Berkeley, CA 94702-2204
Phone 510-486-1166 Ext. 270
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chu...@meyersound.com

From: Greg McClure 
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 7:52 AM
To: Chuck August-McDowell ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK 
Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
Chuck,

In our case, our cord supplier has obtained all the certifications for the UK, 
Saudi Arabia and Singapore and applied those marks to the plug so we can use 
the same part in all 3 geographies.

Gregory H. McClure
Lexmark Product Safety
Product Safety Team Lead
859-232-3240 office

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK 
Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug

Dear List members,

I found the information in this thread very useful especially the "mutually 
exclusive" designations.

I am writing today seeking comments on UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug 
and cordage to ask if any are also known "mutually exclusive" issues.
For example between United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Singapore?

Thank you in advance,

Chuck August-McDowell


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[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
In our experience:

Argentina, Australia and China (PRC) cords are mutually exclusive and cannot be 
bundled together.

Brazil no longer accepts any cord that looks like a US NEMA 5-15 plug.

India and South Africa cords are mutually exclusive unless you can get one that 
carries certifications for both countries.

Japan, Taiwan and the US are mutually exclusive due to different certification 
requirements for the plugs and cordage.

There may be ways around some of these but they tend to drive up the cost of 
the cordset.

Regards,

Gregory H. McClure
Lexmark Product Safety
Product Safety Team Lead
859-232-3240 office

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!
Sounds like there have been no legal/importation issues bundling cord sets with 
a product.

Chuck

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We build a top-level generic and then pack the power cord right before crating. 
 Where we run into issues is when we have a distributor in Europe or Asia 
orders the machine based on their location but the end-user is in a different 
country.

Mark Stultz | CMSE(r) | Sealed Air | Automated Packaging Systems | Streetsboro, 
OH | 330-342-2402

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Chuck,

We ship up to 4 power cords with plenty of products without any issues. The 
only complaint is from product managers trying to squeeze every last bit of 
margin out of products. Those extra $6 or so get thrown out in most cases.

In past lives we did what Doug suggested. Made the power cord a separate line 
on the customer order. That worked well for us. Only issue there was the power 
cord was not packed in the box with the product.

Scott




On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:19 AM Douglas E Powell 
mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

My experience has been that sometimes it works, other times not.  I understand 
the desire ensure the end user get the cord set they actually need, but I've 
also seen where there is backlash.  Some recipients simply throw away the cord 
they don't need.

The best solution I've seen, is to structure top-level BOMs with a generic 
product BOM as one of the "components" and then add country specific 
sub-assemblies, labels, translated user manuals, etc. I've even seen where 
top-level BOMs will have the 2-letter ISO 3166 country code baked into the part 
number.  Keeping in mind, t

Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug

2021-08-04 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Dear List members,

I found the information in this thread very useful especially the "mutually 
exclusive" designations.

I am writing today seeking comments on UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug 
and cordage to ask if any are also known "mutually exclusive" issues.
For example between United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Singapore?

Thank you in advance,

Chuck August-McDowell

From: Greg McClure 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 8:16 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
In our experience:

Argentina, Australia and China (PRC) cords are mutually exclusive and cannot be 
bundled together.

Brazil no longer accepts any cord that looks like a US NEMA 5-15 plug.

India and South Africa cords are mutually exclusive unless you can get one that 
carries certifications for both countries.

Japan, Taiwan and the US are mutually exclusive due to different certification 
requirements for the plugs and cordage.

There may be ways around some of these but they tend to drive up the cost of 
the cordset.

Regards,

Gregory H. McClure
Lexmark Product Safety
Product Safety Team Lead
859-232-3240 office

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To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!
Sounds like there have been no legal/importation issues bundling cord sets with 
a product.

Chuck

From: Stultz, Mark 
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product

External email: Use caution opening links or attachments

We build a top-level generic and then pack the power cord right before crating. 
 Where we run into issues is when we have a distributor in Europe or Asia 
orders the machine based on their location but the end-user is in a different 
country.

Mark Stultz | CMSE(r) | Sealed Air | Automated Packaging Systems | Streetsboro, 
OH | 330-342-2402

From: Scott Douglas mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 2:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product


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Chuck,

We ship up to 4 power cords with plenty of products without any issues. The 
only complaint is from product managers trying to squeeze every last bit of 
margin out of products. Those extra $6 or so get thrown out in most cases.

In past lives we did what Doug suggested. Made the power cord a separate line 
on the customer order. That worked well for us. Only issue there was the power 
cord was not packed in the box with the product.

Scott




On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 11:19 AM Douglas E Powell 
mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

My experience has been that sometimes it works, other times not.  I understand 
the desire ensure the end user get the cord set they actually need, but I've 
also seen where there is backlash.  Some recipients simply throw away the cord 
they don't need.

The best solution I've seen, is to structure top-level BOMs with a generic 
product BOM as one of the "components" and then add country specific 
sub-assemblies, labels, translated user manuals, etc. I've even seen where 
top-level BOMs will have the 2-letter ISO 3166 country code baked into the part 
number.  Keeping in mind, the ISO 639 language codes are not the same as 
country codes.

Best of luck,  Doug

Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com>
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdougp01=04%7C01%7Cgreg.mcclure%40lexmark.com%7C7f455420d29246098e6208d94d1f6624%7C127090656e6c41c99e4dfb0a436969ce%7C1%7C1%7C637625619521243113%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000=DZFpZy2QUA8%2BlhDDdMeoZMfxradZwFpLkQyacyrU888%3D=0>





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<156eedbcc0fd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:156eedbcc0fd-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>>
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Hello
I'm wondering if anyone has experience and/or specific information on 
legal/customs requirements that restrict the bundling of multiple region power 
cord-sets with a product.

Thanks in advance
Chuck
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Re: [PSES] EU DoC on Thumb Drive?

2021-05-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Seconding Brian’s motion to allow the QR Code as an approved method to provide 
DoC information.

We recently Include Symbol ISO 7000-3500  "Electronic instructions for use" and 
the QR Code in the Symbol table in the basic safety information provided on 
paper with each product.
Currently provide paper DoC also.

Symbol ISO 7000-3500 Function/description :
To indicate on product or product packaging that relevant information for use 
of the product is available in electronic form rather than, or in addition to, 
printed paper form.

Link https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:grs:7000:3500

Respectfully,

Chuck August-McDowell

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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU DoC on Thumb Drive?


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Brian,This is another method that needs to be on the list of accepted paths 
to show compliance, in my opinion.

   Of course, the acceptance for any such methods need to come from 
the Euro Commission, meeting Euro legal requirements and having the buy-in of 
all the interested parties – such as the Customs Officers who are charged with 
either clearing or refusing entry to CE marked items and are looking for 
further justification (MDoC in particular).
   I see this as a long slog to get anywhere unless some very 
influential group that the EU folks admire takes it on with a passion.  Do you 
know anyone at the WTO?

   I guess, if your company is gutsy enough you can try it and see 
how it goes; sometimes changes are made in fact and later the paperwork catches 
up.

:>) br,  Pete

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From: Brian Ceresney mailto:bceres...@delta-q.com>>
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Subject: RE: [PSES] EU DoC on Thumb Drive?

Hello All,
Apologies for “hijacking the thread”, but we’ve been considering the 
now-ubiquitous(post pandemic) QR Code as a method of delivering information 
about the product – user manual, declarations for the EU, MC documentation, 
etc. A small accessible code label could really help make information 
accessible to the customer, using the cell phone.
Does this also still fall under the “not-yet” category?

Best Regards,
Brian C.
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Carl et al,

   This question has been asked before and the official answer 
seems to still be ‘not yet’.

   Some folks in the IEEE PSES TAC/ITE interest group have been 
working to put together a draft proposal that would allow digital documentation 
(thumb drive or even website) to meet the requirements.  As noted, there are 
many interests in this way outside our usual working circle.  Nothing has 
developed from this yet; maybe sometime in the future.

   Keep your hopes up though; pie in the sky is what keeps us going 
some time.

:>) br,  Pete

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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU DoC on Thumb Drive?

Carl

A number of other Directives such as RED and Machinery also require DoC to be 
provided with equipment

In the absence of Guidance that says you can provide it electronically it is 
best to work on the basis that you must not – Customs / Market enforcement will 
expect to be able to find the DoC if they inspect the product, and if it’s not 
in print format they won’t be able to as they’re not going to load up a CD or 
USB stick, and you will be considered to be shipping “non-compliant” product

Best regards
Charlie

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[PSES] Surface Resistance Test of metal used for EMI shielding

2021-03-30 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Dear List Members,

At an EMC lab several years ago I was shown that to properly check for 
continuity of metal shielding and parts that one needed to just set the probes 
of an Ohm meter on the surface to be measured, Do not push the probe tips into 
the surface.
Could anyone point to a standard or published technical procedure to correctly 
perform "Surface Resistance Testing."

Thank you in advance for reply's.

Chuck August-McDowell

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[PSES] Test requirement for Grille Cloth in UL/IEC/EN 62368-1.

2020-10-01 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings,

Would any list member have a comment on a test requirement for Grille Cloth in 
UL/IEC/EN 62368-1 ?
My word search finds no mention of "Grille Cloth"

In the past UL 60065 wanted a tablet test performed on cloth.
"Grille covering material, cloth, and reticulated foam"

The part is to be supported so that its thinnest outside solid surface is in a 
horizontal position. A tablet comprised of
hexamethylene-tetramine (C6H12N4) having a burning time of at least 100 s, is 
to be placed on the thinnest section of the part.
The tablet is then to be ignited with a match applied to the top of the tablet. 
The tablet is to be permitted to burn until it is
completely consumed or until it burns through the part and falls to the surface 
below. The test is concluded when the part
ceases to flame or glow. When all burning and glowing ceases, the part shall 
not have burned further than 5 cm from the center
of the tablet.

Thank you in advance for reply's.

Chuck


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Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368

2020-09-17 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi Charles,

Only slightly off your topic "Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that 
complies with IEC60950 requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 
62368?"
I work on the audio side so our base standard is 60065. So to rephrase the 
question;
"Has anyone experienced having an audio product that complies with IEC 60065 
requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368? "
I was informed during factory audit the Hipot test voltage changed from 1500 
VAC to 1768 VAC ?

Oh, and outdoor use also changes from IEC 62368 2ed, calls for using 60950-22 
at current editions, which the 2005 edition did not require a dust test, but 
new (required) 2nd edition requires a dust test, where as 60065 required only 
IPX4 testing.

Let the testing begin!

Respectfully,

Chuck August-McDowell

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[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that complies with IEC60950 
requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368?  In particular 
the use of a non-LPS psu.  Is there some sort of risk analysis that can be done 
to prove up conformance to the directive based on 60950 with or without 
supplemental test??

Thanks in advance
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Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] Legal opinion on the European standardisation system published by the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy

2020-09-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Dear Michael Loerzer,

I agree with this comment in general "increasing problems (e. g. EN IEC 
62368-1:2020+A11:2020 3rd edition)."
Could you expound on "increasing problems (e. g. EN IEC 62368-1:2020+A11:2020 
3rd edition)."

Respectfully,
Chuck McDowell



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Subject: [PSES] Legal opinion on the European standardisation system published 
by the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy

Dear All,

for your information as user of harmonised standards: the German Federal 
Ministry of Econimc Affairs and Energy has published a legal opinion on the 
European standardisation system.

The expert opinion, which was drafted on behalf of the Ministry, considers and 
assesses the current state of the European standardisation system and deals in 
particular with the implications of a ruling of the European Court of Justice, 
known as the 'James Elliott ruling' (C-613/14) of October 2016. The European 
Commission has significantly changed the procurement and implementation 
practice for European harmonised standards and standardisation mandates in 
response to the ruling. This has led to discussions in industry, among 
technical experts and in the Member States.

The legal opinion can be downloaded from this website in German, English and 
French and as an executive summary (Q):

https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Meldung/20200831-legal-opinion-on-the-european-standardisation-system.html


This legal opinion analyzes the "new" publication process of the Commission 
(HAS Consultant approach) and the increasing problems (e. g. EN IEC 
62368-1:2020+A11:2020 3rd edition).

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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification

2020-02-19 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

I think an example of the field inspection/label program not part of OSHA's 
NRTL program would be the City of Los Angles Department of Building and Safety.
http://www.ladbs.org/services/core-services/plan-check-permit/product-approval/electrical-test-lab

Note, I did not confirm they are not also an NRTL.

Respectfully,

Charles August-McDowell
Compliance Specialist

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Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
Hello Dave/Bernd.

Just a comment/clarification. The field inspection/label program is not part of 
OSHA's NRTL program despite some NRTL's that conducted this service. I know it 
can seem confusing but there are also some non-NRTL's that conduct these field 
evaluations, all of which are under state jurisdiction.

Some may think they are abiding by OSHA rules with obtaining a field evaluation 
by an NRTL. That is not the case.

Regan

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 7:11 AM Nyffenegger, Dave 
mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com>> wrote:
Bernd,

I don’t know any jurisdiction that would accept a manufacturer self-declaration 
if the jurisdiction is requiring a safety certification.  An alternative to an 
NRTL listing is an NRTL field inspection/label which is unique to each product 
at each  installation.

-Dave

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Subject: [PSES] AW: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification

Hello Ted, hello Regan,

Thank you for your clear statements on NRTL certification. Can you please 
provide some guidance on the interpretation of the National Electrical Code 
NFPA 70 (2020 edition), article 110.3, on the suitability of installation and 
use in conformity with the NEC? Informational note no. 2 explains, that this 
suitability “may” be evidenced by listing or labelling. Informative Annex A 
“provides a list of product safety standards used for product listing where 
that listing is required by the NEC.” This lists includes many product safety 
standards for consumer products like appliances that are typically plug 
connected. In the case that the NEC has been adopted by local jurisdiction and 
that the equipment is in the scope of a product safety standard listed in Annex 
A, is NRTL certification and listing then a mandatory requirement, or is there 
another option (e.g. self-declaration of the manufacturer that the product is 
suitable for installation and use in conformity with the NEC) that is accepted 
both by jurisdiction and the market?

Thank you and kind regards,

Bernd

Von: Regan Arndt mailto:reganar...@gmail.com>>
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Betreff: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification

OSHA & the related NRTL mandatory certification is only for the 
commercial/office/industrial workplace. OSHA has no jurisdiction in the 
consumer environment.
The FCC is for both environments.

Regan

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 8:29 PM 
<06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>
 wrote:
Thank you Ted, Rich and Regan,

The product is classified as IT and is sold to pro market. i.e it is used by 
professional and not consumer market. There two types of products. Class I as 
well as Class III. They are mainly used in corporation conference rooms.

With that in mind, what are your thoughts about mandatory NRTL certification as 
well as FCC?

Thanks
Peter
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Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification
Hello Peter,

Let me add to Rich and Regan’s comments.

The question for residential installations isn’t as clear as for the workplace. 
Most jurisdictions in the United States have adopted the National Electrical 
Code which requires many electrical and electronic products to either be Listed 
or to be investigated and approved by the local Authority Having Jurisdiction. 
In practice, this typically will apply to hard-wired products or products 
attached to building structure. The enforcement is typically through an 
electrical inspection which will often not cover plug-connected devices.

In the workplace, any product that has a direct connection to the mains will 
need NRTL approval. At the other end of the spectrum, a product like a USB 
mouse or remote control using alkaline batteries likely won’t need NRTL 
approval. In theory, I believe an OSHA inspector could enforce the NRTL 
requirement on any electrical product, but that won’t necessarily be what 
happens in practice.

That being said, you can choose not to get NRTL

Re: [PSES] Implementing decision 2019/1326

2019-08-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

So for commercial audio

EN 55103-1 was replaced by EN 55032 Emissions
Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of superseded standard 05/03/2017

EN 55103-2 was/will be replaced by EN 55035 Immunity
Date of cessation of presumption of conformity of superseded standard ??

>From the web via Google by written by NTS;
When EN 55035 is harmonized and listed in the Official Journal of the European 
Union, there will be no transition period for Sound and Television Broadcast 
Receivers and Associated Equipment and EN 55035 will be immediately in use.
Information Technology Equipment and Professional Audio, Video and 
Entertainment Lightning control apparatus will have 1 year transition period..

Is this information correct?

Respectfully,

Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.

From: Charlie Blackham 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:04 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Implementing decision 2019/1326

At the moment the EU are not producing single lists of Harmonised Standards.

All new lists are published on the "L" series, which is Legislation, and no 
longer on the "C" series, which is Information and Notices. (more detail 
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/content/help/faq/intro.html

In order to determine whether a standard is Harmonised, you currently need to:

  *   See if it listed in Annex I of the L series publication or on the C 
series publication without having listed in Annex II of the L series and the 
Date of Withdrawal having been passed

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
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Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/
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From: Ghery S. Pettit mailto:n6...@comcast.net>>
Sent: 13 August 2019 16:30
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Implementing decision 2019/1326

Paul,

With the new way of notifying the world of changes I have no idea if the list 
will be updated.  In reading the document it sounds to me like you can use EN 
55035:2017 as of the 5th.  As to a DoW for EN 55024, your guess is as good as 
mine at this time.  I'll forward your email to a friend in the EU who is 
probably not on this list and see what he knows.

Ghery S. Pettit, iNCE
Pettit EMC Consulting LLC


From: Paul Scott mailto:paul.sc...@mitel.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:47 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Implementing decision 2019/1326

Hello,

With regards to the standards listed in Annex I of this implementing decision 
(for me, EN55035 specifically); do we expect the harmonized standards list for 
the EMCD to be updated shortly to include these standards? Should I expect to 
see a DOW for EN55024?

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/GA/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32019D1326

Regards,

Paul



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Re: [PSES] New EU enforcement regulations touches on all? product regulations/directives.

2019-02-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Article 14 is interesting.
Powers and duties of market surveillance authorities
3. The powers conferred on market surveillance authorities under paragraph 1 
shall include the following powers as a minimum:
(o) powers to carry out, without prior announcement, on-site inspections and 
physical checks;
(p) powers to take acquire product samples, including under a cover identity;
(r) powers to enter any premises, land or means of transport that the economic 
operator in question uses for purposes related to his trade, business, craft or 
profession, in order to detect non-compliance and obtain evidence;


From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] New EU enforcement regulations touches on all? product 
regulations/directives.


It looks like a move to regulate Amazon and similar sources. At present, in the 
UK at least, there is little surveillance of goods ordered in small quantities 
by members of the public, with the exception of medication and some medical 
products.

Best wishes

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only

J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk

Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2019-02-14 17:42, Lauren Crane wrote:
Hello Compliance Friends,

Just stumbled across this while reviewing various newsletters in my in-box. 
Seems like it might impose some significant changes in EU compliance 
management. Haven't found an OJ printed version yet. Attached are news release 
and the text linked in the release.

'Hatched dragon' is an internal joke.

Regards,

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[PSES] CB Test Certificates and IEC 60529 test notation

2018-10-01 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings from Berkeley,

I am writing today with a question on CB Test Certificates and additional 
testing to IEC 60529 being noted.
My reference document is downloaded from the IECEE web site.
Document
IECEE OPERATIONAL DOCUMENT, CB Scheme Test Certificates
IECEE OD-2037:2016 (c) IEC 2016
File name: od-2037_ed.1.8.pdf

The document gives this guidance;
4.2 A CBTC can only be issued when all relevant tests from the (vertical) 
standard applicable to a specific component/end-product have been conducted as 
opposed to horizontal (e.g. IEC 60529) standards that are called up by a 
vertical standard (e.g. IEC 60335-1). Consequently:
- no stand-alone CBTC shall be issued based exclusively on IEC 60529 
requirements,

7 Reporting under "Additional Information"
7.1 If the product is tested and evaluated in accordance with a horizontal 
standard for a more stringent requirement than is contained in the Product 
Standard, this information may be reported in the "Additional Information" of 
the Test Certificate

So, my products vertical standard is Product Standard IEC 60065 8th ed.
And the horizontal standard called for by 60065 is IEC 60529:1989, Degrees of 
protection provided by enclosures (IP Code)

My question today is Have you received a CB Test Certificate where IEC 60529 is 
noted in the "Additional Information" section?
How is test compliance noted?

Would this notation in "Additional Information" be acceptable?
""Additionally evaluated to Water Spray Test For Enclosure Designation IPX5 - 
IEC 60529, Edition 2.2,"

Thank you in advance for reply's.

Respectfully,


n
Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
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Re: [PSES] Flame retardancy GB/T 8624-2012

2017-08-10 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Hi Doug,

GB/T 8624-2012
Equals to;
Classification for burning behavior of building materials and products
Adopted International Standard No. EN 13501-1:2007

Hope that helps…


Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc.
Direct: 510-540-4670

From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:08 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Flame retardancy GB/T 8624-2012

Greetings all,

I am attempting to determine equivalency of a flame retardancy rating of B3 in 
GB/T 8624-2012 to the Flame Spread Indices of ASTM E84.  In particular, I 
really don't know if "B3" is good bad or otherwise.  Interestingly, the old 
idea of flammable vs inflammable has come up and is used in contrast to the 
terms combustible vs incombustible. And now my head is beginning to ache.

I really don't have a desire to purchase a chinese standard and read it 
completely through just to answer this question. Does anyone know of a resource 
that can help me cross reference flammability classifications of these two 
standards?



Thanks, Doug



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Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

2017-07-14 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Friday update.
My friend at the two letter lab sent this note when I ask for the ISBN codes 
used for the standards on our CB certificate's;
"The ISBN number is correct for the highlighted standard (IEC 62368-1) which is 
the one we used. Regarding the EN standard, we used DS/EN 62368-1 (August 
2014); there is no ISBN noted for this one. There is an ICS number, ICS 
33.160.01; 35.020..."

So the ICS is new to me. Any feedback, experiences or comments on using ICS 
numbers?
Wikipedia says;
International Classification for Standards (ICS) is an international 
classification system for technical standards. 
It is designed to cover every economic sector and virtually every activity of 
the humankind where technical standards may be used.

Respectfully yours,

Chuck McDowell
Compliance Specialist
Meyer Sound Laboratories


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From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 June, 2017 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Interesting idea to use ISBN.  It would be a unique identifier.  I am curious 
to know what everyone feels is the best practice for sorting a database on 
harmonized standards.  For example, all of the 61010-1 national derivatives and 
national differences for IEC, EN, ANSI, CSA, UL, etc.  

I have in a spreadsheet a separate publisher column and the base document 
number.   I also track publication date and date of withdrawal, if available. I 
am a bit of a pack rat in this regard, I keep most of my data forever plus or 
minus a few decades.

Sometimes when I have an updated publication available, I do a textual word by 
word comparison document to flag the differences.  I am frequently surprised 
and the number of "editorial" changes that do not make it into the change logs 
or the magazine articles or even the big four certifying agencies here in the 
USA.

Doug




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When you have bazillions of standards, the ISBN is handy as a unique identifier 
(unique and/or primary key), as each version has different reference; otherwise 
no other significant use. For example, an excerpt from my database:

ISBN 9780580910234 BS EN 62368-1:2014

ISBN 9782832214053 IEC 62368-1 Edition 2.0 2014-02

ISBN 9782889106844 IEC 62368-1 Edition 1.0 2010-01

ISBN 97811554364159 CSA C22.2 NO. 60950-1B-07

Brian


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Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to 
organize your standard's collection?
 
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Re: [PSES] Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) power supplies have their own BIS accreditation

2017-06-29 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings from Berkeley,

My company is being asked to add BIS accreditation to “component” power 
supplies.
I am unable to find a reference to this inclusion in the India Gazette, but did 
find the opposite at the FAQ here; http://meity.gov.in/esdm/standards

“The Compulsory Registration Order applies to finished goods and not the spare 
parts, CKD or SKD units.”

Is the requirement for “component” power supplies to have their own BIS 
accreditation in the standards IS 13252 ; IS 616?
Other than the testing lab saying this in a letter I cannot find this 
requirement.

Thank you for the help on this requiring question,

Chuck McDowell

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS)

We did see that power supplies need to have their own BIS accreditation, in 
addition to the whole unit as well.

It appears not many power supplies have this BIS accreditation, which seems odd 
as surely quite a lot of products get shipped to India?

You may be right on the frustration point!

Thanks,
Rob.

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Subject: Re: [PSES] Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS)

Be prepared for lots of frustration.

Assuming your product is not HSE (Highly Specialized Equipment) you will have 
to get BIS registration for your product.  This involves (re)testing in India.  
Some familiar NRTLs can do the testing, but it must be in-country (even though 
you may already have CB certification).  The certification process also 
involves providing a lot more information about your production facilities than 
you're used to providing.
Power supplies (AC-DC and DC-DC) now also require separate certifications.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Robert Dunkerley 
> wrote:
Hi,

Has anyone had any experience with Computer Equipment and the requirements to 
sell in India?

Not very clear on what is actually required.

Thanks,
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[PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

2017-06-23 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings form Berkeley,

Does using the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) 13 digit code work to 
organize your standard's collection?

Thank you in advance for comments,

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Re: [PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

2017-03-09 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Thank you for the reply's

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Subject: [PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

Greetings from Berkeley,

I am curious to know the power limits described in the draft standard EN 
62368-3:2017-02-15.
Titled; Audio/video, information and communication technology equipment - 
Safety -- Part 3: DC power transfer through communication cables or ports
Any information would be helpful.

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[PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

2017-03-08 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings from Berkeley,

I am curious to know the power limits described in the draft standard EN 
62368-3:2017-02-15.
Titled; Audio/video, information and communication technology equipment - 
Safety -- Part 3: DC power transfer through communication cables or ports
Any information would be helpful.

Thank you,


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[PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

2017-03-08 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Greetings from Berkeley,

I am curious to know the power limits described in the draft standard EN 
62368-3:2017-02-15.
Titled; Audio/video, information and communication technology equipment - 
Safety -- Part 3: DC power transfer through communication cables or ports
Any information would be helpful.

Thank you,


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Re: [PSES] Acoustic Warning - sound pressure level

2017-02-06 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

Possibly in EN 54 Series.
Part 3: Fire alarm devices — Sounders

See BS 5839 Series. BS 5839-1 or -8.
code 21.1b recommends 5dB. 10dB in noise environments (see 22.1.10).

Chuck McDowell
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From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
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Subject: [PSES] Acoustic Warning - sound pressure level


All,

I recall some time ago reading information on minimum sound pressure level for 
acoustic warning in noisy environments.  It was possibly in an IEC standard or 
a handbook making recommendations. As I recall the recommendation was something 
like warning bells, horns and klaxons should be 3 to 6 dB SPL above the ambient 
noise level in the immediate work area. If this is not possible or operators 
may be wearing hearing protection, then visual warnings should also be included.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,  Doug



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Re: [PSES] ITE Kiosk Installed in the Airport Terminals in the US

2016-10-26 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

is there any other regulatory requirements/standards for an ITE kiosk to be 
installed in the airport terminals…

How about a NRTL Listed mark?

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And there will be a lot of other fixed and mobile comms at various frequencies 
at any large US airport, and so I would look much wider than at just the radar 
frequency bands.

John E Allen
W.London, UK

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Maybe, but in any case I would look at immunity to frequencies used by airport 
radar.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:12 PM
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Subject: [PSES] ITE Kiosk Installed in the Airport Terminals in the US

Dear Members,

Other than FCC Part 15 Subpart B, is there any other regulatory 
requirements/standards for an ITE kiosk to be installed in the airport 
terminals?

Thank you very much!

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Re: [PSES] EU Enforcement of CE Marking Directives

2016-08-25 Thread Chuck August-McDowell

You might try the EU rapex database of products with removal / recalled from 
market (do not meet Directive requirements).
http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_safety/safety_products/rapex/alerts/main/?event=main.search#

Chuck McDowell
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Enforcement of CE Marking Directives

The stringency, and the enforcement procedures, vary in the different Member 
States. For example, in Britain, prosecution is a last resort, because it is 
very costly and the outcome may be uncertain. But the authorities can be VERY 
persuasive. Non-compliant products are confiscated, and the thought of a future 
involving a watch on every new product introduction easily convinces 
manufacturers and importers that co-operation is the best policy.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only
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From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:46 PM
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Subject: [PSES] EU Enforcement of CE Marking Directives

Hi,

I am interested in understanding how stringent the enforcement of CE marking 
directives is within the EU.  Is there someplace where we can find enforcement 
actions that have been taken against companies for placing products on the 
market that don't fully meet the applicable Directives?   I am most interested 
in the EMC, LVD, MD, and R Directives.

Thank you.

Jim Hulbert




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Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

[PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

Re: [PSES] UL1007 vs VW-1 Flammability ratings

Re: [PSES] Friday Question - Line Cords in China

Re: [PSES] Tracking standards updates

Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

[PSES] LISN rated for 120V~ could I run at 230V~ for pretesting?

Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC

[PSES] Testing 2 cubic foot plywood enclosure to UL 2043 Fire Test for Heat and Smoke in Air Handling Space

[PSES] NOM Mexico safety mark annual renewal required?

Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug

Re: [PSES] Multiple Power cord-sets bundled with product Redux UK Plugs BS 1363 as the standard plug

Re: [PSES] EU DoC on Thumb Drive?

[PSES] Surface Resistance Test of metal used for EMI shielding

[PSES] Test requirement for Grille Cloth in UL/IEC/EN 62368-1.

Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] Legal opinion on the European standardisation system published by the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Mandatory certification

Re: [PSES] Implementing decision 2019/1326

Re: [PSES] New EU enforcement regulations touches on all? product regulations/directives.

[PSES] CB Test Certificates and IEC 60529 test notation

Re: [PSES] Flame retardancy GB/T 8624-2012

Re: [PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Re: [PSES] Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS) power supplies have their own BIS accreditation

[PSES] Organize my standards => ISBN 13 Digit code

Re: [PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

[PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

[PSES] EN 62368-3:2017-02-15 power limits

Re: [PSES] Acoustic Warning - sound pressure level

Re: [PSES] ITE Kiosk Installed in the Airport Terminals in the US

Re: [PSES] EU Enforcement of CE Marking Directives

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