Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 2a93eb060901270504k7eaa02c2n50fc3b9016a03...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: For LISN calibration, what are the calibration standards that I should fill in in the questionaire requested by a calibration lab?  Are ANSI C63.4, CISPR 15, 

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Michael.Nagel
Grace, CISPR 16-1 defines LISNs of 50Ohms||50µH + 5Ohms, 50Ohms||50µH and 50Ohms||5µH +1Ohm. The 150Ohms V-network and the 150Ohms delta-network are also covered. CISPR 22 refers in section 9.3 to CISPR 16-1 for LISNs to be used for testing. Best regards, Michael Nagel Michael Nagel

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:22 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Calibration Standards for LISN In message 2a93eb060901270504k7eaa02c2n50fc3b9016a03

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message de87437fe365cb458c265ea3d73b6f1d043c6...@xbc-mail1.xantrex.com, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com writes: I don't have a copy of CISPR 16 to reference and so I am curious about how one calibrates an AMN? (or an antenna for that matter). I can see

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Spencer, David H
: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN I don't have a copy of CISPR 16 to reference and so I am curious about how one calibrates an AMN? (or an antenna for that matter). I can see characterizing the AMN so that its transducer factor versus frequency is known and can be then used to calculate a uV

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Spencer, David H Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:58 AM To: Ralph McDiarmid; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ralph, ANSI C63.4 also has the procedure: Section

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Spencer, David H
Of Price, Edward Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:04 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN But isn't it the purpose of the AMN to present an impedance to the EUT which is unaffected by whatever unknown impedance exists at the source of the power? Ed Price ed.pr

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
, January 27, 2009 10:15 AM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I agree, and I've verified that with the LISN(s) I use there is no impact; however, ANSI C63.4, E1, b) states that unless it can be shown that the RF filters do not impact

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Of Price, Edward Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:25 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN So I would have to deduce then that ANSI C63.4 is schizophrenic, in that it doesn't trust the specified LISNs to work as they say they should. If the standard wants you to measure

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: But isn't it the purpose of the AMN to present an impedance to the EUT which is unaffected by whatever unknown impedance exists at the source of

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: So I would have to deduce then that ANSI C63.4 is schizophrenic, in that it doesn't trust the specified LISNs to work as they say they should. If

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Spencer, David H
] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:15 AM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I agree, and I've verified that with the LISN(s) I use there is no impact; however, ANSI C63.4, E1, b) states that unless it can be shown that the RF filters

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:37 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Calibration Standards for LISN In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message de87437fe365cb458c265ea3d73b6f1d043c6...@xbc-mail1.xantrex.com, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com writes: Could the interaction between a facility mains filter and the line-side impedance of an AMN result in a network with at least one resonant

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Price, Edward
Message- From: Spencer, David H [mailto:david.spen...@xerox.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:46 AM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I've seen white board presentations at the IEEE Symposia, that suggest that the AC mains

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: I guess I lean toward the third option, since it puts more of the burden on the LISN designer (who ought to be a super expert), and simplifies the

Re: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub, dated Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Price, Edward ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: Just want to clarify our terms here. When you calibrate, is this describing a process where you compare something to a standard value, and then

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Elliott Mac-FME001
[] General Public From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Spencer, David H Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:46 PM To: Price, Edward; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Calibration Standards for LISN Ed, I've seen white board presentations at the IEEE Symposia

RE: Calibration Standards for LISN

2009-01-27 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
True also for an antenna, I assume. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:25 AM snip In the case of an LISN, there are no adjustable