Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

2017-10-03 Thread Brian O'Connell 
Yes, fire-safe cigarettes required in U.S. after 2011. Canada and EU 
requirements preceded the U.S. regulations. 

My recently developed hood test to verify my new side panels - fire up a dry 
cigar (cigars correctly stored in humidor will typically self-extinguish after 
about 50 to 100 sec). No complaints = successful test. Wrote an formal 
procedure for this test and submitted it on employer's ISO form. 

Brian



From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

And I don't even think it would work, at least not for very long- Don't 
cigarettes now have to self-extinguish?


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought the forum may find this interesting.

DOT/FAA/AR-00/12 AIRCRAFT MATERIALS FIRE TEST HANDBOOK 
(https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/00-12.pdf).

Clause 1.3.1 actually recommends testing for a draft-free environment my using 
"a smoldering and smoking material, such as a lighted cigarette, in the test 
cabinet". It seems this may be a carry over from the days when smoking was 
socially acceptable.  

​All the best, Doug

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Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

2017-10-03 Thread Gary Tornquist 
The other user scenario that the methenamine 
tablets<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstandardslaboratorysupply.com%2Fproduct%2Fmethenamine-timed-burning-pills%2F=02%7C01%7Cgarytor%40microsoft.com%7C9953f57e1fef4604145c08d50a7c37c3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636426450985653433=dVFqaU1N3vDIfz5hLh%2FqfBJ5RwZGmzVMj6l30aMHhfs%3D=0>
 may simulate (though not as well as a cigarette) is ignition from a candle.

Gary Tornquist
Microsoft Corp.

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From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 10:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

And I don't even think it would work, at least not for very long- Don't 
cigarettes now have to self-extinguish?


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Doug Powell 
<doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I thought the forum may find this interesting.

DOT/FAA/AR-00/12 AIRCRAFT MATERIALS FIRE TEST HANDBOOK 
(https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/00-12.pdf<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fire.tc.faa.gov%2Fpdf%2F00-12.pdf=02%7C01%7Cgarytor%40microsoft.com%7C7cc8a619addc4152d32208d50a821335%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636426476140086548=5pcBZWhxNvoq%2FgwYRzIY4dRkwyrpQfkvfL5fqpOIaw0%3D=0>).

Clause 1.3.1 actually recommends testing for a draft-free environment my using 
"a smoldering and smoking material, such as a lighted cigarette, in the test 
cabinet". It seems this may be a carry over from the days when smoking was 
socially acceptable.

​All the best, Doug

​

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Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

2017-10-03 Thread IBM Ken 
And I don't even think it would work, at least not for very long- Don't
cigarettes now have to self-extinguish?


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Doug Powell  wrote:

> I thought the forum may find this interesting.
>
> DOT/FAA/AR-00/12 AIRCRAFT MATERIALS FIRE TEST HANDBOOK (
> https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/00-12.pdf).
>
> Clause 1.3.1 actually recommends testing for a draft-free environment my
> using "*a smoldering and smoking material, such as a lighted cigarette,
> in the test cabinet*". It seems this may be a carry over from the days
> when smoking was socially acceptable.
>
> ​All the best, Doug
>
> ​
>
> --
>
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Re: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

2017-10-03 Thread Ted Eckert 
Many standards has switched over to specifying methenamine 
tablets<https://standardslaboratorysupply.com/product/methenamine-timed-burning-pills/>,
 also known as “fire pills”. They simulate a lit cigarette while allowing for 
more repeatable testing. Although smoking is prohibited on many flights, it 
occurs with some regularity and might be considered “foreseeable misuse”.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

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From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:29 AM
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Subject: [PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

I thought the forum may find this interesting.

DOT/FAA/AR-00/12 AIRCRAFT MATERIALS FIRE TEST HANDBOOK 
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"a smoldering and smoking material, such as a lighted cigarette, in the test 
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​All the best, Doug

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[PSES] FAA Draft Free flame test

2017-10-03 Thread Doug Powell 
I thought the forum may find this interesting.

DOT/FAA/AR-00/12 AIRCRAFT MATERIALS FIRE TEST HANDBOOK (
https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/00-12.pdf).

Clause 1.3.1 actually recommends testing for a draft-free environment my
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​All the best, Doug

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