Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-14 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
ider Electric From: Paolo Roncone [mailto:paoloc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 4:52 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1 Agree, but that would be a bit too clear...I think there's an office somewhere within IEC whose mission is to maxi

Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-10 Thread Paolo Roncone
Agree, but that would be a bit too clear...I think there's an office somewhere within IEC whose mission is to maximize the intricacy of something already intricate An alternative, but maybe too simple and easy, would be to add peak limits for conducted EMI, higher than QP and Average.. Best

Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I still say that the wording of 3.3.3 is not as rigorous as it should be. It should read something like: "discontinuous disturbance, the amplitude of which, measured with the QP receiver, exceeds the quasi-peak limit for continuous disturbance, the duration of which is NOT LONGER than 200 ms

Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-10 Thread Paolo Roncone
Hi John, I see only an upper duration limit (200 msec), because clicks are referenced/measured only with a QP detector. See CISPR 14-1 sec.C2.2 "The amplitude of the clicks shall be measured with a receiver having a quasi-peak detector according to Clause 4 of CISPR 16-1-1:2015." So clicks

Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-10 Thread T.Sato
Paolo, When QP level didn't exceed the QP limits (if our client wish to have some minimum margin in the test, QP limits minus the margin) for continuous disturbances, we will not evaluate discontinuous disturbances. As you said, the standard says "Discontinuous disturbances shall be assessed

Re: [PSES] Clicks per CISPR 14-1

2017-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I think the 1 ms attack time ensures that the click is detected. But there is an issue with the wording. It appears that a 0.5 ms pulse above the QP  limit is a click as defined , but is too short compared with the QP rise-time to show  as exceeding the limit. I think there should be a lower