Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 March 2011 05:51, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I re-wrote Andy's function to compare the absolute value of the diff, and compare that to 1E-07. I know that this is crazy, ugly, and stupid. No, that is perfectly sensible. I should know better by now, it is never a good idea to

Re: [Emc-users] Heekscad question

2011-03-04 Thread Kyle Kerr
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:16 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:14:12 pm Kyle Kerr did opine: Another option to look at/fool around with is Google sketchup. I am having no troubles running it in wine. There is even a plugin to output gcode called

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
By the way, I think that it is great that you let us use cutter compensation while doing inside corners. Every one knows that these corners will have a radius of the end mill, anyway, and this is usually acceptable when pocketing. For perfectly sharp inside corners, after all, we would need to

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 3/4/11, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I re-wrote Andy's function to compare the absolute value of the diff, and compare that to 1E-07. I know that this is crazy, ugly, and stupid. But it works beautifully. NO, absolutely not stupid at all. This is in fact the only sane way of

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/4/11, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I re-wrote Andy's function to compare the absolute value of the diff, and compare that to 1E-07. I know that this is crazy, ugly, and stupid. But it works

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/3/4 Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com: On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 08:34:35PM -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Specifically, when using cutter radius compensation and straight lines, you can only make convex shapes on the outside of a part. So, if you have G42 in force (tool on right), then you can only

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:12:57 am Igor Chudov did opine: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/4/11, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I re-wrote Andy's function to compare the absolute value of the diff, and compare that to

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:25 AM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:12:57 am Igor Chudov did opine: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/4/11, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I re-wrote Andy's

[Emc-users] Google sketchup 8 question

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
Whoever sent me that link to Solid Edge, that DL installed under wine, but does not work. Even if I give it the license file that went with it. So I then installed sketchup 8, but in trying to figure out a way to draw a rectangle, a side view of a stick for this cabinet, with the measurements

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 March 2011 15:38, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: No, the comparison is between the previously commanded position and the currently commanded position. And this is why I am slightly concerned with this approach. Does moving the old_pos=pos_command_in line into the first if

Re: [Emc-users] Google sketchup 8 question

2011-03-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 March 2011 15:47, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Whoever sent me that link to Solid Edge, that DL installed under wine, If you are happy to install under wine, then it might be worth trying the Alibre cad demo. I actually paid the $100 and run it under Windows on my Mac either

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:56:42 am Igor Chudov did opine: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:25 AM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:12:57 am Igor Chudov did opine: On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread dave
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 14:48 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:40 PM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 21:41 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: I really think it is a bad idea, as the position will be uncontrolled when not moving. Jon, this is a ACME

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
After some thinking, I changed the comp source code, to update old commanded position with new one, ONLY if the difference between the old commanded position and the new one is material. This will let me move at glacial speed, too. Thanks for making me think about it. And thanks to Andy Pugh

Re: [Emc-users] Google sketchup 8 question

2011-03-04 Thread Kyle Kerr
Sorry Gene, I failed to mention the point about after it crashing the first time you need to run 'wine regedit' and update a dword. [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\SketchUp8\GLConfig\Display] HW_OK=dword:0001 I am sorry I forgot to mention that. Kyle

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: After some thinking, snip Thanks for making me think about it. And thanks to Andy Pugh too. I love EMC and what I can do with it! the beauty of EMC is revealed in these comments -- dos centavos

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 06:58 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: ... snip No, it doesn't gouge the part outline. It moves along the path on the specified side. Every adjacent pair of moves (whether line or arc) cause a concave or convex corner. If the corner is concave, it calculates a new corner

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 09:14:41AM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: (Sorry for being blunt, but this best conveys how I feel) I prefer to code the part surface path, which ultimately, is the only thing that matters. If the surface can not be machined, the surface needs to be fixed or the process

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 March 2011 16:47, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote:   if( diff 0 )      diff = -diff;   if (diff 1E-7){ You can use absf() in HAL modules: if (absf(diff) 1E-7){ -- atp Torque wrenches are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 09:14:41AM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: (Sorry for being blunt, but this best conveys how I feel) I prefer to code the part surface path, which ultimately, is the only thing that matters. If the

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 March 2011 17:29, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone knows that milling out concave corners with a round end mill leaves round corners, why warn about it? Devils Advocaat Because you are asking for a square corner, and not getting it. You should know that you are going to have

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread John Prentice
From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com On 4 March 2011 17:29, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone knows that milling out concave corners with a round end mill leaves round corners, why warn about it? Devils Advocaat Because you are asking for a square corner, and not getting it.

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 11:20 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: ... snip Sorry to be blunt, but your final question makes me wonder whether you understand the issue. This is about using cutter comp with concave corners. When you do that, a fillet is left because the cutter is round. It does not

[Emc-users] W axis and tool changes

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
So, knock on wood, I have my W (motorized knee) axis working, sans limit and home switches. It will be 100% done once I get the switches wired. I did it, so that I can easily switch between long tools like big drill bits in Morse adaptors, to short tools like small end mills, without losing

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread kqt4at5v
I apologize if this is off topic but it was pointed out that my original problem had nothing to do with gouging but rather using offset compensation and rotating the axis Is it possible this feature will be added in the future From what I have read it seems folks who use offset compensation are

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 11:25:19PM -0600, Jon Elson wrote: I rarely use the G41, G42 offsets, I have my little C programs that code the paths I need without using tool radius offsets, so I am rusty. You should try it again! Well, these little C routines have

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Whils I kind of agree in general (I do numerical modeling too, for a living), here we are essentially comparing a == a and it fails. See my another post in this thread about GCC bug 323. My concern with doing what I am doing, is that if I wanted the knee to move at

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: But, would it not come back on and move accordingly if the diff between shutoff position (saved) and present requested position exceeded that 1E-07? No, I think it would not. It is evaluating for motion every servo cycle. Now, you COULD extend the code a bit to record

Re: [Emc-users] W axis and tool changes

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 12:21:20PM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: Is that the right way to think about it? Yes, exactly. -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper provides an overview of data

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Whils I kind of agree in general (I do numerical modeling too, for a living), here we are essentially comparing a == a and it fails. See my another post in this thread about GCC bug 323. My

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 12:22:19PM -0600, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: I apologize if this is off topic but it was pointed out that my original problem had nothing to do with gouging but rather using offset compensation and rotating the axis Is it possible this feature will be added in the

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: gene heskett wrote: But, would it not come back on and move accordingly if the diff between shutoff position (saved) and present requested position exceeded that 1E-07? No, I think it would not. It is evaluating for

[Emc-users] Unkown Error

2011-03-04 Thread Doug
I have a message that just came up. Can't do that (Emc_Task_with the interpreter waiting. Loaded a new gcode one that have loaded before and this error appeared once I ran the program. Now if I run any program the machine feeds super super slow! If I close the program and reopen it then

[Emc-users] compiling hidcomp

2011-03-04 Thread lloyd wilson
I've downloaded the hidcomp package to use for learning to talk to usb devices (last weeks Pokeys55, actually). When trying to compile the package, I keep getting errors because of #ifdef _WIN32 rgrep doesn't show it being set anywhere in the hid directory structure; does anybody know where I

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 12:22 -0600, kqt4a...@comcast.net wrote: ... snip From what I have read it seems folks who use offset compensation are looked upon as lower class :) I would be interested seeing any links you might have. I will try and remember my place :) Richard I think your place

Re: [Emc-users] compiling hidcomp

2011-03-04 Thread Dave
On 3/4/2011 2:24 PM, lloyd wilson wrote: I've downloaded the hidcomp package to use for learning to talk to usb devices (last weeks Pokeys55, actually). When trying to compile the package, I keep getting errors because of #ifdef _WIN32 rgrep doesn't show it being set anywhere in the hid

Re: [Emc-users] I decided to motorize the knee too

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 09:31:31PM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: Right now I have at most 5 inches of Z axis travel. This is sufficient for most parts, except when I have to use a short tool (little end mill) and a long

Re: [Emc-users] I decided to motorize the knee too

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 03:36:05PM -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: Chris, when you say this, did you just write a shorthand for two statements? Tdrill M6 G43 G0 W0 Yes, they are two statements, sorry. Or can I write two statements on one line, separated by a semicolon? No, because semicolon

[Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
I embedded my video on this page: http://www.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/ The video shows more or less everything that the mill is capable of: moving in all five directions, drilling cycle, rigid tapping, coolant, spindle forward and reverse, and cool 5 axis

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread sam sokolik
awesome! sam On 03/04/2011 08:38 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: I embedded my video on this page: http://www.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/ The video shows more or less everything that the mill is capable of: moving in all five directions, drilling cycle, rigid

Re: [Emc-users] compiling hidcomp

2011-03-04 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
That's in there because I do 95% of my development on Windows. I usually develop stuff on windows then move it across to linux when it's almost done. I still haven't found a development environment I like. (tried eclipse, qtcreator, but have reverted back to make and vim). It can be removed.

Re: [Emc-users] Google sketchup 8 question

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:20:21 pm andy pugh did opine: On 4 March 2011 15:47, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Whoever sent me that link to Solid Edge, that DL installed under wine, If you are happy to install under wine, then it might be worth trying the Alibre cad demo. I

Re: [Emc-users] Google sketchup 8 question

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:32:27 pm Kyle Kerr did opine: Sorry Gene, I failed to mention the point about after it crashing the first time you need to run 'wine regedit' and update a dword. [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Google\SketchUp8\GLConfig\Display] HW_OK=dword:0001 I am sorry

Re: [Emc-users] tool offset compensation and gouging

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 10:57:48 pm andy pugh did opine: On 4 March 2011 17:29, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone knows that milling out concave corners with a round end mill leaves round corners, why warn about it? Devils Advocaat Because you are asking for a square

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
Cinci is a monstrosity! On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday, March 04, 2011 11:02:38 pm Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: But, would it not come back on and move accordingly if the diff between shutoff position (saved) and present

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 11:27:12 pm Igor Chudov did opine: I embedded my video on this page: http://www.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/ The video shows more or less everything that the mill is capable of: moving in all five directions, drilling cycle, rigid

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, March 04, 2011 11:39:19 pm Igor Chudov did opine: Cinci is a monstrosity! Maybe, but I'd almost bet it could carve a new balance wheel for your old Elgin pocket watch. If it had to... ;-) [...] Always assume a job will come up that needs more travel! Yes Jon, I believe

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
Gene, I feel it! I would only suggest to look for high quality, dB rated ball bearing cooling fans. I had a fan go bad in my car inverter in my truck. It was HORRIBLE, like listening to a whining child. I bought a new dB rated fan from Digikey. The difference is astounding. I almost cannot hear

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread Stuart Stevenson
the corollary is relevant no matter the size of the machine with 200 inches X travel on the 5 axis bridge one of the first three jobs was 220 inches long we had to slide a part to machine the whole thing On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday, March 04,

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Igor, that is impressive you have done well thank you for sharing the video with us I am encouraged by seeing the young man interested and watching thanks Stuart -- dos centavos -- What You Don't Know About Data

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: And, compared to my stepper setup with its howling cooling fans on the xylotex board, plus the howl of the steppers when they are only running 1/8th step, the differences in the noise level are amazing. The servo motors on my Bridgeport are so quiet that once I broke a

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:49:30 am Igor Chudov did opine: Gene, I feel it! I would only suggest to look for high quality, dB rated ball bearing cooling fans. I had a fan go bad in my car inverter in my truck. It was HORRIBLE, like listening to a whining child. I bought a new dB

Re: [Emc-users] W axis working! One problem remains, residual current to the motor.

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, March 05, 2011 01:03:56 am Stuart Stevenson did opine: the corollary is relevant no matter the size of the machine with 200 inches X travel on the 5 axis bridge one of the first three jobs was 220 inches long we had to slide a part to machine the whole thing Chuckle, I knew you

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, March 05, 2011 01:08:39 am Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: And, compared to my stepper setup with its howling cooling fans on the xylotex board, plus the howl of the steppers when they are only running 1/8th step, the differences in the noise level are amazing. The

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Igor Chudov
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:03 AM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:49:30 am Igor Chudov did opine: Gene, I feel it! I would only suggest to look for high quality, dB rated ball bearing cooling fans. I had a fan go bad in my car inverter in my truck. It

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-04 Thread Edward Bernard
Here's a good source for toroids, Gene: http://www.antekinc.com/ From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 12:03:26 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis On