Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Thaddeus Waldner
Just a thought: Since the index pulse is only one PPR, does it keep working and is it readable right up to 10k rpm? If so, you could first read the index pulse; if speed> threshold, multiply index by encoder ppr and connect that to encoder in; if speed < threshold (-hysteresis?), connect

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 23:39:45 Jon Elson wrote: > On 06/19/2020 10:03 PM, Ken Strauss wrote: > > Obviously I'm not contemplating threading at 10K RPM! However, I'd > > like to leave the encoder installed at all times which is why I'm > > concerning about it surviving at high RPM. Suggestion for

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 23:03:36 Ken Strauss wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 10:43 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7 > > > > On

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 19:16:45 andy pugh wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 23:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Cura sees it at /dev/usb2, can octopi use that? > > You could ask on the Octoprint IRC. (freenode, same as LinuxCNC, > #octoprint nobody there, you show but but no greeting. left

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/19/2020 10:30 PM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 04:05, Ken Strauss wrote: Obviously I'm not contemplating threading at 10K RPM! However, I'd like to leave the encoder installed at all times which is why I'm concerning about it surviving at high RPM. My guess would be that it

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/19/2020 10:03 PM, Ken Strauss wrote: Obviously I'm not contemplating threading at 10K RPM! However, I'd like to leave the encoder installed at all times which is why I'm concerning about it surviving at high RPM. Suggestion for a cheap gear tooth sensor? I have a little article on my

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 04:05, Ken Strauss wrote: > Obviously I'm not contemplating threading at 10K RPM! However, I'd like to > leave the encoder installed at all times which is why I'm concerning about > it surviving at high RPM. My guess would be that it won't explode, it will just stop

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Ken Strauss
> -Original Message- > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 10:43 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7 > > On 06/19/2020 07:03 PM, andy pugh wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/19/2020 07:03 PM, andy pugh wrote: On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 00:38, Ken Strauss wrote: Good point regarding the need for an index. Are there cheap encoders capable of higher RPM? It will cost you less than $10 to find what happens to those encoders at 10k rpm. (My guess would be that they

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 00:38, Ken Strauss wrote: > > Good point regarding the need for an index. Are there cheap encoders capable > of higher RPM? It will cost you less than $10 to find what happens to those encoders at 10k rpm. (My guess would be that they just stop seeing the edges) -- atp

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Ken Strauss
Good point regarding the need for an index. Are there cheap encoders capable of higher RPM? > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 5:00 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 23:47, Gene Heskett wrote: > Cura sees it at /dev/usb2, can octopi use that? You could ask on the Octoprint IRC. (freenode, same as LinuxCNC, #octoprint -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 18:04:38 andy pugh wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 22:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Next? Is there a tut someplace that I missed? > > Octoprint runs headless normally. Have a look for a web page in your > network at octopi.local (if you installed it on a Pi) > No net

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 21:01, Jon Elson wrote: > Nope, 2 phase means A and B only, no index pulse. Look for > one with 3 channels, A B and Z (index). It sounds like it is his intention to gear it down anyway, so could not use the index even if there were one. A mill only really needs an index

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 22:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > Next? Is there a tut someplace that I missed? Octoprint runs headless normally. Have a look for a web page in your network at octopi.local (if you installed it on a Pi) I am running in on an old Pi2. I just put octoprint on the SD card and

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 16:18:24 Chris Albertson wrote: > OctoPrint runs on normal PC. It is open-source and written in Python. > Assuming you have a spare PC it's free to use. > > Yes, they sell plug-and-go kits and also have SD card images for the > Pi4. Many people need this because they could

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 14:49:54 Ken Strauss wrote: > I would like to add rigid tapping. Those are some inexpensive encoders > except the top rated speed is 5000 rpm and I have a 1 rpm spindle. > Any suggestions regarding suitable pulleys to reduce the speed > (perhaps 5:1)? Will normal GT2

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 14:01:54 Chris Albertson wrote: > There is all the space I need to build an encoder for the HF mill's > spindle. The sensor will fit above the drawbar. > > I'm thinking of using this sensor. The shaft would point down and > thesensor is aligned with an directly over the

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
OctoPrint runs on normal PC. It is open-source and written in Python. Assuming you have a spare PC it's free to use. Yes, they sell plug-and-go kits and also have SD card images for the Pi4. Many people need this because they could never learn to install an open-source Python program on their

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Bari
 The Rockchip and the Allwinner SOC's have integrated microcontrollers as well for software stepping at high speeds. https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/39037-linuxcnc-orange-pi?start=30 On 6/19/20 2:55 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: A Pi isn't the most suitable unit for that sort of thing.

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread R C
Sure,  but it works..   and   *lol*    Linux is not good at "Real Time" ? , nothing is good at real time (depending on what you call real time), as long as you can complete some operations with a given amount of time.  (I work on time sensitive stuff, "real time" issues at scale for a

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
One more thing. This is a link the the Harbor Freight Mini-Mill. The list price is $700 and they ALWAYS have 20% off coupons so the actual price is $560. I can't seriously offer a CNC conversion that more than doubles the price of the Mill. So the budget for motors, power supply, Mesa cards

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 06/19/2020 01:01 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: There is all the space I need to build an encoder for the HF mill's spindle. The sensor will fit above the drawbar. I'm thinking of using this sensor. The shaft would point down and thesensor is aligned with an directly over the spindle.

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread John Dammeyer
> -Original Message- > From: R C [mailto:cjv...@gmail.com] > Sent: June-19-20 12:45 PM > To: Chris Albertson; linuxcnc-users-list > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7 > > > On 6/19/20 1:34 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > > A 4:1 reduction is possible with gears.

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread R C
On 6/19/20 1:34 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: A 4:1 reduction is possible with gears. The sensor would be mounted the same way but displaced off axis 24 mm then fitted with a 80T gear and driven by a 20T gear that is itself driven by the drawbar. I would buy l gears (mod. 0.5 or Pi/2 mm pitch)

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
A 4:1 reduction is possible with gears. The sensor would be mounted the same way but displaced off axis 24 mm then fitted with a 80T gear and driven by a 20T gear that is itself driven by the drawbar. I would buy l gears (mod. 0.5 or Pi/2 mm pitch) as printed gears are not great in that tiny

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Ken Strauss
I would like to add rigid tapping. Those are some inexpensive encoders except the top rated speed is 5000 rpm and I have a 1 rpm spindle. Any suggestions regarding suitable pulleys to reduce the speed (perhaps 5:1)? Will normal GT2 belts survive? > -Original Message- > From: Chris

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
There is all the space I need to build an encoder for the HF mill's spindle. The sensor will fit above the drawbar. I'm thinking of using this sensor. The shaft would point down and thesensor is aligned with an directly over the spindle.

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 13:05:35 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 19 June 2020 12:58:06 Chris Albertson wrote: > > I few more things about Marlin 2.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You likey will not be able to turn on all the features at the

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 12:58:06 Chris Albertson wrote: > I few more things about Marlin 2.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You likey will not be able to turn on all the features at the same > time because it will not fit into memory. You can determin this on > your Linux system.

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 12:35:53 Chris Albertson wrote: > You can't connect directly to a PC. You physically wire an Arduino > "Uno" to the controller board, Then install programmer software in the > Arduino, in effect turning the Arduino into a programmer. Then the > Arduino is connected via

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
I few more things about Marlin 2.0 You likey will not be able to turn on all the features at the same time because it will not fit into memory. You can determin this on your Linux system. Simply download from Github and do a compile in the Arduino IDE and see the size of the

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Chris Albertson
You can't connect directly to a PC. You physically wire an Arduino "Uno" to the controller board, Then install programmer software in the Arduino, in effect turning the Arduino into a programmer. Then the Arduino is connected via USB to a PC.The PC can run any OS. Then what you load onto

Re: [Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 10:10:16 Gene Heskett wrote: > I can see bed, nozzle tmps, as they heat from a locally launched > render of yet another 5x5x5, but not the filename or anything else the > printer might be doing. > > Am I supposed to see it all? > > Thanks, but puzzled. I'll let it finish

[Emc-users] finally, right cables, have cura talking to printer, sorta

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
I can see bed, nozzle tmps, as they heat from a locally launched render of yet another 5x5x5, but not the filename or anything else the printer might be doing. Am I supposed to see it all? Thanks, but puzzled. I'll let it finish the 5x5x5 so I can check dimensions since I can't stop it from

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 11:13, Roland Jollivet wrote: > > I was going to suggest this at the start of the thread, but I thought it > would be considered too Heath Robinson.. It was a technique used a fair bit in the early days of RobotWars. RC servo turning pot on golf-cart controller. It is

Re: [Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 June 2020 06:10:48 Roland Jollivet wrote: > I was going to suggest this at the start of the thread, but I thought > it would be considered too Heath Robinson.. > And within its limitation of available torque to keep the tap turning, and an encoder able to track to a 5 degree

[Emc-users] Universal spindle speed control for $7

2020-06-19 Thread Roland Jollivet
I was going to suggest this at the start of the thread, but I thought it would be considered too Heath Robinson.. On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 20:40, Chris Albertson wrote: > I'm making good progress on my 3D printed CNC conversion. I found a way to > 3D print a spindle controller that should work