Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-30 Thread Andrew
2017-03-30 8:12 GMT+03:00 Erik Christiansen: > This one makes claims: > http://hackaday.com/2017/03/25/mrrf-17-e3d-introduces-combin > ation-extruder-and-hotend/ > > Dunno how well the performance matches the sales spiel, though. > Titan first, then Aero... and they're almost back to the origins

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 29.03.17 19:56, Bruce Layne wrote: > I'd still like to finish that project but a lot has changed since then > in the fast moving 3D printer world, including much better extruders, so > it would require some time to learn and hack in some upgrades to > maximize reliability and print quality.

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Bruce Layne
This thread renewed my interest in 3D printing. I bought the parts and did the mechanical assembly of a Hadron ORDbot a few years ago but wanted to do a nice electrical installation instead of the usual rat's nest wiring on most home brew 3D printers. Then the complete kit became available

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers (Gregg Eshelman)

2017-03-29 Thread andy pugh
On 30 March 2017 at 00:06, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > The Select Mini Version 2 is supposed to be out sometime soon. It has > improvements like a cooling fan in the base. > Here's a video showing the V2 updates. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c43HVaiSF88 I don't seem to be

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers (Gregg Eshelman)

2017-03-29 Thread Gregg Eshelman
The Select Mini Version 2 is supposed to be out sometime soon. It has improvements like a cooling fan in the base. Here's a video showing the V2 updates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c43HVaiSF88 On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 2:36:53 AM MDT, John Alexander Stewart

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 3/29/2017 10:52 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >> > Maybe contact Charles Steinkuehler first, as he is an active > 3D printer user and knows what is currently hot. > There is a HUGE turnover in these things, and what was the > best design a couple months ago is now obsolete. I'm no longer really

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > > Where the 3D printer would be in front is forming nice fillets, as in > the transition from a boss to its supporting surface, and inside a > pulley rim, going to the spokes. With foam fabrication, it may be >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/28/2017 09:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers (Gregg Eshelman)

2017-03-29 Thread John Alexander Stewart
Greg: If you want inexpensive but good quality and compact, check out the > Monoprice Select Mini. (AKA Malyan M200) > Very interesting - thank you for the pointer. I may have to re-think my "no 3D printer at home"... John.

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Dave Caroline
Traditional pattern making was 3d built up, did not need subtractive milling or 3d plastic printer :) Dave Caroline -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org!

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Les Newell
Laying down even amounts of metal with a mig is surprisingly difficult. Many years I had to build up some shafts so I rigged up a setup in an old lathe with the torch clamped in the tool post. The problem I found was that if you get a high spot you end up depositing more metal on the high spot

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 28.03.17 15:48, andy pugh wrote: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-29 Thread Valerio Bellizzomi
On Tue, 2017-03-28 at 15:48 +0100, andy pugh wrote: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread MC Cason
On 03/28/2017 06:07 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 28 March 2017 at 23:54, MC Cason wrote: >> I can envision a future where you see something on whatever >> future version of the internet is, you order it, and it is built in your >> home manufacturing unit. Instant

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread bari
Maybe something that uses pellets vs filament and has a large nozzle: http://www.titan3drobotics.com/pellet-extrusion-3d-printing-on-the-atlas/ https://i0.wp.com/dev.titan3drobotics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/engine-block-edit.jpg 33 hours for that print On 03/28/2017 09:48 AM, andy pugh

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Gregg Eshelman
If you want inexpensive but good quality and compact, check out the Monoprice Select Mini. (AKA Malyan M200) There's a Facebook group for it with over 5,000 members, many of which have two or more of the printers. It comes fully assembled out of the box, mostly steel construction and weighs

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 3/28/2017 6:01 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 28 March 2017 at 23:49, Charles Steinkuehler > wrote: >> you may need to >> reprogram the controller with an open-source firmware and switch to >> using a standard slicer vs. the one that comes with it. > > I have already

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 March 2017 at 23:54, MC Cason wrote: > I can envision a future where you see something on whatever > future version of the internet is, you order it, and it is built in your > home manufacturing unit. Instant gratification at it's finest. > However, a LOT of

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 March 2017 at 23:49, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > you may need to > reprogram the controller with an open-source firmware and switch to > using a standard slicer vs. the one that comes with it. I have already written one slicer (runs inside Autodesk Inventor,

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread MC Cason
On 03/28/2017 02:25 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > I see the argument as going like this > > One group says these 3d printers are worthless because they can't be used > to make the stuff I am now making. For example "I can't print an exhaust > valve for a diesel truck motor." > > The second group

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 3/28/2017 9:48 AM, andy pugh wrote: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread MC Cason
That same one can be had on Ebay, for $154, with free US based shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/332158713527 If you are a minimalist, there's a version for $1.00 less: http://www.ebay.com/itm/112220106379?var=412749117925=true On 03/28/2017 11:05 AM, John Thornton wrote: > xxcoder and I

Re: [Emc-users] 3D printers

2017-03-28 Thread James Isaac
> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:17:31 +0100 > From: andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers > > On 28 March 2017 at 17:18, Les Newell <les.new...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > The prints also aren't that strong. If you > > put en

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Ralph Stirling
The DMG-Mori combined powdered metal/laser AM and 5-axis CNC machining is very cool, but something close to $1M for the system. There are some efforts being made at wire-fed welder AM systems. I met a fellow from such a company at a 3d printing conference two weeks ago. He was lugging around a

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
I think the cake is a little bit funny and it also taste good but it is not the best cake around. On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:25:41 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > I see the argument as going like this > > One group says these 3d printers are worthless because they can't

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread Chris Albertson
I see the argument as going like this One group says these 3d printers are worthless because they can't be used to make the stuff I am now making. For example "I can't print an exhaust valve for a diesel truck motor." The second group sees the printers and thinks about using it for new

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Charles Buckley
Not sure if anyone would be interested, but in about 11 hours, Aliexpress is having a sale. I am seeing some 3D printers listed. On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Charles Buckley wrote: > Pretty sure those are belt driven, not screw driven. > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Charles Buckley
Pretty sure those are belt driven, not screw driven. On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:14 AM, jrmitchellj . wrote: > Kind of small. > ACME leadscrews instead of ballscrews > Not much detail on the build platform (other than thickness) > > Probably OK for a learning experience &

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread hubert
Andy I own two 3d printers, and have had mixed results. The second one looked like a bargain but was made out of plywood and firmly etched in my mind the advantage of metal. My first one was a single extruder model made out of aluminum and plastic. Later revisions are replacing even

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Ken Strauss
nced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers > > On 28 March 2017 at 17:18, Les Newell <les.new...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote: > > The prints also aren't that strong. If you put enough time into it you > > can get some good results but most of the stuff I wan

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread dannym
Parts can be quite strong. Although, I've seen plenty of prints with a bad layer (can be as simple as the air conditioning kicking in and shrinking the plastic suddenly). You can print out objects that would be difficult to mill, such as things requiring 5-axis milling, exotic holddown

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 28 March 2017 at 17:18, Les Newell wrote: > > The prints also aren't that strong. If you > > put enough time into it you can get some good results but most of the > > stuff I want to make

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers.

2017-03-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 March 2017 at 18:31, John Alexander Stewart wrote: > Do you really need a 3D printer? No, nor do I need a lathe or milling machine, I could get parts made by machine shops. Or simply not bother making stuff at all. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers.

2017-03-28 Thread John Alexander Stewart
I've got a 3D printer here, a PrintrBot Simple, wooden one. The city library has a set of printers and laser cutters. I think I'd use that. Current project, drawing up some parts that will get printed at the library or at Shapeways. Do you really need a 3D printer? I don't - my Printrbot is

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread andy pugh
On 28 March 2017 at 17:18, Les Newell wrote: > The prints also aren't that strong. If you > put enough time into it you can get some good results but most of the > stuff I want to make either needs to be strong or dimensionally accurate > (or usually both together). My

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers -> 3D printed cake

2017-03-28 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> I have one that is very similar and I bought it pretty much out of > curiosity. It sits in the corner of my office gathering dust. My > experience with 3D printing was pretty underwhelming. It is very finicky > and the results aren't that great. It gets pretty frustrating when > something

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On Tuesday 28 March 2017 10:48:18 andy pugh wrote: >> I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. >> I am thinking of buying one. >> Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, >> so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am >> looking

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Les Newell
I have one that is very similar and I bought it pretty much out of curiosity. It sits in the corner of my office gathering dust. My experience with 3D printing was pretty underwhelming. It is very finicky and the results aren't that great. It gets pretty frustrating when something goes wrong 4

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread dannym
I have done relatively little 3D printing myself. I do run a community hackerspace with a number of 3D printers, most of which are broken. Many, many cheap 3D printers just can't work out of the box. Badly designed linear axes, terrible ratsnest of wiring, extruder designs that do nothing but

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 28 March 2017 10:48:18 andy pugh wrote: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread John Thornton
xxcoder and I have one of these which goes on sale tomorrow for $196 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Full-Metal-Frame-3D-Printer-Professional-3d-Color-Printer-with-8GB-SD-Card-LCD-One-Roll/32705186296.html It does need a bit of TLC in some areas but seems to print OK. It is a Prusa i3 clone. I

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Gary Crowell
That's a clone of a Flashforge, which is a clone of the Makerbot Replicator (old Replicator, not the new one which they also oddly called the Replicator). It's upgraded in some ways, possibly downgraded in others. But it is known to work pretty well. My original Replicator is still excellent

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread Andrew
2017-03-28 17:48 GMT+03:00 andy pugh: > I find myself astonished that I don't have a 3D printer. > I am thinking of buying one. > Longer-term I think I will end up making a large-format delta pritner, > so the one I buy will be more ot a toe-dipping exercise, and I am > looking at: >

Re: [Emc-users] 3D Printers

2017-03-28 Thread jrmitchellj .
Kind of small. ACME leadscrews instead of ballscrews Not much detail on the build platform (other than thickness) Probably OK for a learning experience & making small toys. Ray --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the