Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-07 Thread Jeff Epler
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 08:03:23PM -0700, richard harris wrote: > Perhaps this is why Hardinge/Bandit cost so much half the wires go > nowhere and and there to confuse you. Mission Accomplished. This is quite funny. Thanks for sharing your story. Jeff --

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-06 Thread richard harris
Hello, After reviewing everyones input, for which I am extremely appreciative, I came to the conclusion that if the spindle feedback was an encoder, it was a style which I could not read. Not wanting to replace the unit, for fears of having to fab up yet another adapter, I took a chance and r

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 04 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Saturday 04 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >>>The rotary coils are your resolver. Your resolver should be >>>built at the factory so there is no need for diddling. > >I'm pretty sure the 2S1200 needs no coils > >> Maybe, maybe

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 04 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >>The rotary coils are your resolver. Your resolver should be >>built at the factory so there is no need for diddling. > I'm pretty sure the 2S1200 needs no coils > > Maybe, maybe not. I have wound coils before, and it would be

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 04 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> With the eval board at $150, and I doubt it comes with the rotary coil >> set, that raises the price of that toy quite a bit unless someone here >> wants to see if they can squeeze it into say $50 for a run of 100 or so. >> >> Wit

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > With the eval board at $150, and I doubt it comes with the rotary coil set, > that raises the price of that toy quite a bit unless someone here wants to > see if they can squeeze it into say $50 for a run of 100 or so. > > With the accuracy claimed, I can see it will take s

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Jon Elson
Dave Engvall wrote: > Hi Jon, > Those are hot chips... don't know how many resolvers there are out that > will handle the reference freq tho ... but not many apps will push the > rps spec. ;-) I think you can set the ref freq with a cap or resistor. If the freq is lower, then the tracking and

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 04 August 2007, Jon Elson wrote: >Mark Pictor wrote: The nice thing about resolvers is that they are very rugged - >>> >>>with no >>> electronics in the resolver itself, they can handle high >>> >>>temperatures, >>> coolant, and other abuse that would kill an optical encoder

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Dave Engvall
Hi Jon, Those are hot chips... don't know how many resolvers there are out that will handle the reference freq tho ... but not many apps will push the rps spec. ;-) http://www.analog.com/en/subCat/0,2879,760%5F791%5F0%5F%5F0%5F,00.html Dave On Aug 3, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Ma

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Pictor wrote: >>>The nice thing about resolvers is that they are very rugged - >> >>with no >> >>>electronics in the resolver itself, they can handle high >> >>temperatures, >> >>>coolant, and other abuse that would kill an optical encoder in >> >>short >> >>>order. The bad thing about resolv

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Mark Pictor
> >The nice thing about resolvers is that they are very rugged - > with no > >electronics in the resolver itself, they can handle high > temperatures, > >coolant, and other abuse that would kill an optical encoder in > short > >order. The bad thing about resolvers is that the circuitry to > gener

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 03 August 2007, John Kasunich wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> The other possibility is that its a resolver, where one set of wires would >> be power, probably 5 volts, The next set, possibly the green one is an >> index at 0 output, and the other 3 would divide the full rotation in 1/2 >>

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Kenneth Lerman
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Elson Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:12 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question Kirk Wallace wrote: > Hello Richard, > > I have a Hardinge HNC that I am converting. Your de

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Eric Keller
I've seen Heidenhain encoders that have 5 pairs, they have 4 lines for power. Some companies use extra return (ground) lines. There is also the possibility of an extra track like on brushless servo motors, which can have a "hall track" Or like John said, it could be an absolute encoder, although

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > Hello Richard, > > I have a Hardinge HNC that I am converting. Your description doesn't > match mine very well so I'll assume you have a different model, but I > did find that my spindle pulse generator had terminal pairs for both the > LED and the "amp" (+12 V and GND on bot

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread John Kasunich
Gene Heskett wrote: > > The other possibility is that its a resolver, where one set of wires would be > power, probably 5 volts, The next set, possibly the green one is an index at > 0 output, and the other 3 would divide the full rotation in 1/2 turn, 1/4 > turn, and 1/8 turn. But that on th

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 03 August 2007, RogerN wrote: >First see if you can find any markings indicating a manufacturer, if so > search for them on the web and look for a similar encoder, they might have > the wiring published online. If that doesn't work, I would ohm between > each color and black to make sure

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Kirk Wallace
Hello Richard, I have a Hardinge HNC that I am converting. Your description doesn't match mine very well so I'll assume you have a different model, but I did find that my spindle pulse generator had terminal pairs for both the LED and the "amp" (+12 V and GND on both) along with the pulse and the

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread Jon Elson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > If this is an older Hardinge like a HNC or CHNC this may be a resolver rather > than an encoder. Why would a resolver have 5 pairs of wires? I would think 3 pairs would suffice for any flavor of resolver. The only thing I can think of that needs 5 pairs would be

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread RogerN
First see if you can find any markings indicating a manufacturer, if so search for them on the web and look for a similar encoder, they might have the wiring published online. If that doesn't work, I would ohm between each color and black to make sure none are tied together, if the are, that's

Re: [Emc-users] OT Encoder Question

2007-08-03 Thread rehenry
If this is an older Hardinge like a HNC or CHNC this may be a resolver rather than an encoder. Rayh On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT), "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" said: >Hello, > > First let me apologize for this off topic question, but I exhausted all the > responses goog